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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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The regular as clockwork bi-yearly releases are one of the best things about Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the default supported Linux laptop/desktop env in so many tech orgs. If you use Ubuntu and want to help ensure it works for your env remember to test the upcoming release alphas / betas eg with USB boot stick and file bugs on Launchpad if you notice something broken. (Same goes for other distros your org may use, eg Debian,…

Mark Shuttleworth is that you?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Yup, you need to shutdown firefox, open a terminal, run ‘sudo snap refresh’, wait for it to complete, then re-open firefox. Agreed that the process sucks :)

>Yup, you need to shutdown firefox, open a terminal, run ‘sudo snap refresh’, wait for it to complete, then re-open firefox. No, you don't need to do this at all. You need to shut down Firefox, open a terminal, run 'sudo snap remove firefox', then 'sudo apt install firefox', wait for it to complete, then re-open Firefox. (I might be missing a step here)

The step you're missing is to add the Firefox PPA. Ubuntu's Firefox deb is just a Snap installation script.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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post #199

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Is snap enough of improvent over deb to replace it? Sometimes yes. Is snap enough of improvement of Flakpak to ignore community standard and deal witb all the user hostile craziness like non-removable updater? No way. I hope it goes the way of the Mir and upstart - replaced with a competitor and silently removed.

Upstart predates systemd by four years. It solved real problems at the time and they kept it going until Debian transitioned to systemd. Unlike systemd, upstart supported sysvinit scripts, so it made sense to transition when Debian did. Bringing that up is maybe not the best example you could choose to bash them with.

Funny thing is that systemd just calls the scripts in /etc/init.d, but I'm told that it is an improvement.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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post #152

For the last year+ I've been thinking of moving from Ubuntu (after 17 years) and into Manjaro (arch). I even have it running on another older laptop and it's great. However, the fear of losing pace, even for a day because an unforeseen problem or missing something stops me. Ubuntu has always (mostly) just worked for me, and I know Manjaro will too but after so many years change is somewhat hard...

I switched over to Linux Mint recently. There's no way I'm going back to plain old Ubuntu anytime soon. Cinnamon just works for me, and I still have apt to manage my packages. It's kind of the logical next step for dissatisfied Ubuntu users.

+1 for this. I have been super happy with both Mint and Pop!_OS after leaving Ubuntu. They have everything I like about Ubuntu with basically nothing that I hate.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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post #194

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I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

Polite FYI: When a statement has many examples it is correct to use "e.g.," which is an abbreviation of _exempli gratia_, which in turn is Latin for "for example." For example: There are many emotions a person may feel, e.g., happiness. When a statement has only one logical conclusion it is correct to use "i.e.," which is the abbreviation of _id est_ which in turn is Latin for "that is." For example: It was the same…

Loved this. Sure it is language pedantry. But proper grammar really does improve comprehension.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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post #255

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Jump to Debian. It has always worked towards users' interests, and probably will continue doing that because pretty much all developers are volunteers and are running a democratically driven development process. I never understood why Ubuntu is so popular because it's 99.99% Debian, and only gives you a handful of things on top of that: predictable release schedule (which is a two-edged sword if you think about it),…

Isn't it still unsupported to upgrade from one stable Debian version to another? I mean I know you can hack your way around it, just change the apt repos to point at the new release, run apt update, upgrade and dist-upgrade, and hope that not too much stuff breaks. But the nice thing about Ubuntu, especially for less technical people, is that the system will just prompt you to update when it's time, and the upgrade p…

>Isn't it still unsupported to upgrade from one stable Debian version to another?

It's always worked for me. Change repos to new release name. sudo apt update, apt dist-upgrade, and everything typically works. On one machine I went through 3 consecutive point releases with now issues. You can also hold off on upgrading right away, as the old stable branch is supported for (iirc) another year.

edit: as far as I know it's officially supported to upgrade this way

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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The only reason I still use Ubuntu is that their font smoothing is superior to everyone else straight out of the box. I tried to recreate the steps on Fedora, but couldn't come close.

Also ZFS being a single "apt install" away is pretty sweet.

yeah that is a great feature of ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Regardless of all the (rightful?) hate towards Ubuntu recently, it’s worked great for me. Just last week I had a spare Microsoft surface laptop 1 and wanted to setup a headless server since Raspberry Pi’s are ridiculously priced. Ubuntu 20.04 worked flawlessly out of the box whereas the Debian installer couldn’t detect the laptop keyboard and I couldn’t complete installation (just one USB port). Also it’s just so muc…

I'm so tired of seeing people say that there's "hate" toward something simply because people criticize it. There's NO hate toward Ubuntu. There are criticisms. Criticism is not hate. Hate is not criticism.
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