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Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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> can't think of a plausible way for Hans to send the moves out. He doesn't have to send the moves out , he just has to send them in .

How is his co-conspirator going to feed him moves without knowing the board state

Who said there has to be a co-conspirator? He could have a small computer inside him, if you really want to believe he's cheating.

To be clear, I'm not saying I believe this.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Clench in morse code?

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader if morse code via butt clenching counts as "plausible"

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader if morse code via butt clenching counts as "pleasurable"

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Niemann should be treated like the equivalent of a major league athlete, where FIDE as chess's governing body should have the final say as to whether Hans is allowed to compete at major tournaments instead of corporate sponsor Chess.com. The accusations of him cheating at over-the-board play have been dubious at best, and the allegations of doing so during online play are inconclusive with no smoking gun to indicate…

I don’t think chess.com is the final word in anything other than playing on chess.com and in thier tournaments.

Hans is actively playing in the US Championship now: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=117035

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Niemann should be treated like the equivalent of a major league athlete, where FIDE as chess's governing body should have the final say as to whether Hans is allowed to compete at major tournaments instead of corporate sponsor Chess.com. The accusations of him cheating at over-the-board play have been dubious at best, and the allegations of doing so during online play are inconclusive with no smoking gun to indicate…

Chess.com's position is that FIDE should make its own rulings. But unlike the NFL, there is no "other" NFL that makes any serious money; in chess this is different. The 2022 Global Championship is a tournament organized by Chess.com.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Chess is most of these peoples lives. Hans has talked about how basically all he does is study chess, play chess, and eat take out food. He doesn't really have any non chess basked skills.

That's great, but if for some reason I would lose the ability to make a living through my usual means then nobody would defend me. All I would get is "get your ass and go work [in McD/whatever]". It is similar to the physical sports - after your career is ended (especially if abruptly from an injury) you just go and work like everyone else .

An injury is an accident, very different from something someone caused on purpose.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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I'm a huge Hans fan. (F him for cheating, but setting that aside.) His play is objectively insane . Either he's somehow been cheating this whole time via shoefish, or he's the real deal. GothamChess has had excellent coverage of his games. Like seriously, look at this one: https://youtu.be/ainUWFboMLs?t=1490 Hans threw a masterful knockout punch at the end, one which his opponent completely overlooked, and was solely…

> His play is objectively insane But he doesn't do himself any favors with comments like "the chess speaks for itself", or offering what according to other GMs is a lackluster analysis of those astounding moves. Whether it's immaturity or cheating remains to be seen.

Definitely. Though I wouldn’t have done any better at 19. Teens aren’t known for eloquence or having the proper amount of confidence.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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post #131

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How is his co-conspirator going to feed him moves without knowing the board state

Who said there has to be a co-conspirator? He could have a small computer inside him, if you really want to believe he's cheating. To be clear, I'm not saying I believe this.

Still has to feed the computer moves

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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I'm a huge Hans fan. (F him for cheating, but setting that aside.) His play is objectively insane . Either he's somehow been cheating this whole time via shoefish, or he's the real deal. GothamChess has had excellent coverage of his games. Like seriously, look at this one: https://youtu.be/ainUWFboMLs?t=1490 Hans threw a masterful knockout punch at the end, one which his opponent completely overlooked, and was solely…

I love that this video has over 300k views.

GothamChess is amazing in general. He’ll be casting an upcoming chess tournament (kind of like football commentators, but chess). So hyped for it. If you haven’t seen him before, check out some of his other vids too — he does a variety of styles, like “Guess the ELO” and 1:1 chess tutorials with other popular non-chess streamers.

I think the most impressive thing is that he’s posted a video every single day for… I don’t know how long. He makes it a point of pride not to miss one.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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The guy has admitted to cheating in the past, to make money. Basically he said that if his rating was above X, he could make more money streaming. Chess.com put out a massive publication proving he cheated a hell of a lot more than "once or twice when he was younger". Because if he's not cheating, he's literally the prodigal child of AlphaZero and Bobby Fischer and should be crowned the GOAT immediately. Some of his…

Or just delay the live stream instead? There’s a whole lot of hyperbole in your comments. He definitely cheated in online play as chess.com and Hans himself has said. Don’t think there’s been any proof of OTB cheating so far and his OTB play seems to be pretty realistic at this point.

I don't understand the comments regarding delayed live stream. Splitting video feed, visually analysing a board from it, and feeding it feeding into an engine, are all rather straight forward things to do. And delayed feed for conspirators seems redundant.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Those are extremely exceptional cases. What I gave is pragmatic advise for a normal person in general situations. But by all means, conduct your law suits however you want.

No, the fact that damages can change (and increase) over the course of a trial is not extremely exceptional at all, in fact it's the norm. The vast majority of civil suits are for unspecified claims. I only mentioned McDonald's and Alex Jones because most people would be familiar with them, not because they are exceptional. OJ Simpson's wrongful death suit is another example where the damages significantly exceeded w…

I am not a lawyer.

I've worked with multiple lawyers on multiple suits and this is literally how they advised me. I've been on the other side of the table where I received legal letters asking to repair harms, and this is a similar story.

I'm telling stories about my life experiences. If you choose not to believe them, whatever I don't care.

And obviously you should not take the advise of me, an internet stranger, over your personal counsel. But yeah, when you get a suit handed to you, don't be surprised if this is the way things play out. Probably in your analysis you forgot to factor in that the vaaaast majority of disputes never reach an actual trial or a jury and are settled out of court.

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