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Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Very much not legal advice here, but… believing that you’re telling the truth doesn’t automatically make it not slander.

In the US, it depends on whether Hans is a public figure. If he is, generally the standard is you have to know your statements are false.

Ironic that most of us never would have heard of the guy if Carlsen hadn't walked out on the match.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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I‘ve been trying to draw parallels to other sports in this regard. Nobody accused Tiger Woods of cheating (at golf) when he redefined the sport. People DID accuse Lance Armstrong, and they were right (although in that case the whole field was cheating). New England Patriots? Kinda cheated. Michael Phelps has never been accused AFAIK. As a non-chess player, I can’t help but wonder if this is just an entire sport refus…

To be clear online chess legitimately has a cheating problem. I think it has gotten better but according to chess.com there have been a number of Grandmasters including some of the top 100 players in the world who have cheated on the site and admitted it. Cheating in over the board chess seems to be much less common but everyone realizes it is possible and if done well would be challenging to catch. I think this has…

I’m a bit skeptical of this figure that chess grandmasters have admitted it. From what I understand, if chess.com accused you of cheating, they tell you “you have 3 days to admit it or be banned”. So in the face of that, of course they’re going to admit to cheating (since admitting it leads to no other repercussions). To me it seems like a way for the anticheat team to farm credibility. This was my impression based on Maxim Dlugy’s statement

https://sites.google.com/view/gmdlugystatement/home

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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The guy has admitted to cheating in the past, to make money. Basically he said that if his rating was above X, he could make more money streaming. Chess.com put out a massive publication proving he cheated a hell of a lot more than "once or twice when he was younger". Because if he's not cheating, he's literally the prodigal child of AlphaZero and Bobby Fischer and should be crowned the GOAT immediately. Some of his…

>proving he cheated [...] Sorry I missed the part where there was a proof. Could you pinpoint to it?

https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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His performance at the US chess championship with strict anti-cheating measures in place proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he's as good as his rating. This whole "improved too fast" as proof of cheating is nonsense. He might have still cheated to beat Magnus but there's no proof.

As ridiculous as it sounds, did the US chess championship explicitly check to prevent the vibrating buttplug that has been jokingly thrown around as a theory? It's an honest question. I didn't follow this closely and don't know whether a metal detector could find metal inside a human body.

Yes, you can see it in the body scan video.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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As ridiculous as it sounds, did the US chess championship explicitly check to prevent the vibrating buttplug that has been jokingly thrown around as a theory? It's an honest question. I didn't follow this closely and don't know whether a metal detector could find metal inside a human body.

Games were on a 30 minute broadcast delay with no in person audience. Vibrating butt plug works for receive but can't think of a plausible way for Hans to send the moves out.

> can't think of a plausible way for Hans to send the moves out.

He doesn't have to send the moves out, he just has to send them in.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Can someone explain something - Assume for a moment Hans did not cheat (aside from the times he admitted to cheating). In the scenario where he did not cheat - how amazing is his performance? I.e. beating Magnus, Elo rating, etc. I know chess.com did an analysis, which I've read, but I'm hoping someone more impartial could explain it. In the scenario where he did not cheat, is he really on a Bobby Fischer-like ascend…

From everything said about Hans the thing that sticks out to me the most is his analysed centipawn loss over all his games. Typically, as someone improves, both their loss per move and loss-variance falls. For hans, there is limited improvement over time and a high variance in the quality of his moves. He effectively has played at a 2700 level for a couple of years... This seems to be unusal compared to compariable p…

Hans went from 2400 to 2700, so he obviously improved. Centipawn analysis is just youtuber snakeoil. Everyone at the top level has trained and analyzed lines with engines for the past 25 years.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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post #75

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As ridiculous as it sounds, did the US chess championship explicitly check to prevent the vibrating buttplug that has been jokingly thrown around as a theory? It's an honest question. I didn't follow this closely and don't know whether a metal detector could find metal inside a human body.

Games were on a 30 minute broadcast delay with no in person audience. Vibrating butt plug works for receive but can't think of a plausible way for Hans to send the moves out.

Clench in morse code?

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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post #94

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I‘ve been trying to draw parallels to other sports in this regard. Nobody accused Tiger Woods of cheating (at golf) when he redefined the sport. People DID accuse Lance Armstrong, and they were right (although in that case the whole field was cheating). New England Patriots? Kinda cheated. Michael Phelps has never been accused AFAIK. As a non-chess player, I can’t help but wonder if this is just an entire sport refus…

To be clear online chess legitimately has a cheating problem. I think it has gotten better but according to chess.com there have been a number of Grandmasters including some of the top 100 players in the world who have cheated on the site and admitted it. Cheating in over the board chess seems to be much less common but everyone realizes it is possible and if done well would be challenging to catch. I think this has…

> To be clear online chess legitimately has a cheating problem.

Depending on how strict we want to be, Magnus himself has been caught "cheating" in online chess games before too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/xkn7ln/why_does_nobo...

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