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Games were on a 30 minute broadcast delay with no in person audience. Vibrating butt plug works for receive but can't think of a plausible way for Hans to send the moves out.
> can't think of a plausible way for Hans to send the moves out. He doesn't have to send the moves out , he just has to send them in .
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Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Games were on a 30 minute broadcast delay with no in person audience. Vibrating butt plug works for receive but can't think of a plausible way for Hans to send the moves out.
Clench in morse code?
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#133Can someone explain something - Assume for a moment Hans did not cheat (aside from the times he admitted to cheating). In the scenario where he did not cheat - how amazing is his performance? I.e. beating Magnus, Elo rating, etc. I know chess.com did an analysis, which I've read, but I'm hoping someone more impartial could explain it. In the scenario where he did not cheat, is he really on a Bobby Fischer-like ascend…
His ELO gains are impressive, but not unique. [1]
If he is cheating, no sensible hypothesis of how he's doing it has yet been offered. So it seems more probably he's a legitimately talented player whose merit's obscured by his past.
[1] https://twitter.com/ChessNumbers/status/1568340548490252288
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not a lawyer but I’ve been in lawsuits on all sides. It’s the general recommended practice. The number can only go down, never up, so you ask for all that you can. It does have -some- sense if you think about it: this is a young kid with a whole career ahead of him. Because of this accusation, his career is pretty much over. Since he could have been one of the best (as demonstrated by beating magnus) he would have ma…
>The number can only go down, never up, so you ask for all that you can. This is false. A jury can absolutely award more than what the plaintiff seeks, and the judge can increase it even more than what a jury awards. I mean one of the most famous civil cases, the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit, is an example of the jury awarding significantly more than what the plaintiff sought. For a recent example is the Alex Jones…
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#135Just a thought experiment: what if it turns out that, for all practical purposes, it is impossible to prevent cheating in chess? I mean the sport of Tour de France cycling disappeared for a decade, replaced by an identical-looking-but-fundamentally-different sport of competing to see who can cheat (dope) the best. It was probably not even possible to get into the TdF during that time period, without doping, there wer…
Which sort of prompts the question: Why isn't there a "World Chess Cheating Championship"?
The competitors would be given the chance to either demonstrate a type of cheating, or demonstrate a counter-measure, and then judges would be able to organise rigorous tests that paired the methods off against each other.
One sort of test that would be interesting to try is to have a GM who is able to receive a one-bit signal from an accomplice once per game (the much-discussed "this is an important move, think carefully" signal), and then statisticians should try to pick that game (or some set of such games) out of a sea of non-cheating games.
Basically I think that the chess community shouldn't take any "security measures" by event organisers at face value. Without red-teaming, any such measures are just security theatre.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The number can only go down, never up, so you ask for all that you can. This is false. A jury can absolutely award more than what the plaintiff seeks, and the judge can increase it even more than what a jury awards. I mean one of the most famous civil cases, the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit, is an example of the jury awarding significantly more than what the plaintiff sought. For a recent example is the Alex Jones…
Those are extremely exceptional cases. What I gave is pragmatic advise for a normal person in general situations. But by all means, conduct your law suits however you want.
I only mentioned McDonald's and Alex Jones because most people would be familiar with them, not because they are exceptional. OJ Simpson's wrongful death suit is another example where the damages significantly exceeded what the plaintiff claimed.
Your advice is neither pragmatic or actually advisable by the ABA either and in all honesty, it sounds like you're just making stuff up.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#137Can someone explain something - Assume for a moment Hans did not cheat (aside from the times he admitted to cheating). In the scenario where he did not cheat - how amazing is his performance? I.e. beating Magnus, Elo rating, etc. I know chess.com did an analysis, which I've read, but I'm hoping someone more impartial could explain it. In the scenario where he did not cheat, is he really on a Bobby Fischer-like ascend…
I‘ve been trying to draw parallels to other sports in this regard. Nobody accused Tiger Woods of cheating (at golf) when he redefined the sport. People DID accuse Lance Armstrong, and they were right (although in that case the whole field was cheating). New England Patriots? Kinda cheated. Michael Phelps has never been accused AFAIK. As a non-chess player, I can’t help but wonder if this is just an entire sport refus…
Biking obviously involves a lot of different things but it's much easier to see how doping is going to help.
Football has so many facets that it's kind of surprising there aren't more cheating scandals, but at the same time it's harder to isolate any one thing and say that's what's giving a team an edge.
Michael Phelps rose to prominence after most of the big doping scandals by which point anti-doping measures were well established. Besides doping, it's tough to cheat at swimming.
With chess, it's trivial to have a computer on your person capable of beating any human alive, it's just communicating with said computer that is a challenge. Given that chess masters are supposed to be extremely good at strategy and making clever moves people won't see coming, I'm sure there have been some ridiculous cheating attempts.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Games were on a 30 minute broadcast delay with no in person audience. Vibrating butt plug works for receive but can't think of a plausible way for Hans to send the moves out.
Clench in morse code?
[0]https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/331807.How_to_Good_By...
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
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Chess is most of these peoples lives. Hans has talked about how basically all he does is study chess, play chess, and eat take out food. He doesn't really have any non chess basked skills.
That's great, but if for some reason I would lose the ability to make a living through my usual means then nobody would defend me. All I would get is "get your ass and go work [in McD/whatever]". It is similar to the physical sports - after your career is ended (especially if abruptly from an injury) you just go and work like everyone else .
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#140When people take boardgames a bit too seriously. :-P