Mess with the UI all you want, just give the users the ability to use the one they are used to, or opt-in to the updates. Bonus for supporting customizable profiles and presets
Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally I'm not "rewarding the post with hundred of points", but I've upvoted because I share the sentiment and want JetBrains to really consider each change they make: Is it for change's sake, or because it's actually better ?
What makes you think that they haven't already considered it? It's rather offensive to assume that a group of UX professionals decided to take on a massive overhaul just for fun. Given UX has never been a major priority at JetBrains, it implies that they decided it was valuable enough to spend the time and money on this. I just can't imagine this was done on a whim
You say that but I try not to update my iphone as long as possible because I got tired of them deciding the random button on the music player needed to be hidden behind some menu somewhere. The best part is that it was checked on when the update happened and I had no way to turn it off.
So yeah, fuck giving them the benefit of the doubt. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt.
If it turns out not to be 90% gratuitous changes it will be the anomaly, not the rule. They don't deserve that benefit of the doubt at this point.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
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Presentation mode is terrible for doing code pairing, code presentations, or really anything that involves screen sharing.
Presentation mode has worked well for me for code presentation for a decade both in-person on a projector and for screen sharing, across hundreds of talks. If you believe otherwise, let’s hear why rather than some kind of assertion that it must be true because you said so. For the others… well, it’s not called screen sharing mode or code pairing mode.
> For the others… well, it’s not called screen sharing mode or code pairing mode.
So you agree that it doesn't work that great for the scenarios that I've been talking about?
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
Presentation mode is terrible for doing code pairing, code presentations, or really anything that involves screen sharing.
Curious why is that, what are the pain points specifically? I use it often when presenting and the only downside is that presentation mode forces full screen (on mac)
I lose my terminal, file tabs, project navigation.
For presenting, it is very specific on how it is meant to be used, which is not how I would present during a screen sharing exercise.
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#375Aaaand for some reason, creating a new project from a directory no longer does that. If I select the directory and click Next, it instead creates a directory called Untitled in that directory and opens a project there. Since all my projects, ever, are created in existing directories, and since I do that pretty often, I’ve uninstalled the latest one (after two uses) and gone back to the old one. I’ve used IntelliJ sin…
Are you on an EAP build?
Nope. I'm on 2021.3.1 and went to 2022.x. I have toolbox and a full subscription so I just rolled back.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#376> - Rounding of corners. Religion at this point > - Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode > - Animations. Haven't seen them but it will be filled Seriously, HN? This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Unlike the author, I happen to have used this UI for the past five months and it solves many of my longstanding gripes with IntelliJ: - Gutters are now much better at highlighting local…
> This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Many read HN just for the comments, so will upvote a low-quality article with a discussion-driving headline (often without reading the article), purely to generate discussion on a topic they're interested in. It's something of a pity as articles like this with absolute garbage takes do a disservice to those users who share the sentiment for valid reasons.…
I know it’s just 1 user, but I’d like to validate your hypothesis… I did exactly that with this article, even after reading it.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you would be shocked at how often UX designers get greenlit to make a refresh based on vague things like the current code base being hard to use or keeping up with the Joneses of other products or just to have new marketing pictures that look "modern". The default assumption that this effort was made without proper consideration is right more often than its wrong. Maligning the devs? Not so much. Wanting them…
> I think you would be shocked at how often UX designers get greenlit to make a refresh based on vague things like the current code base being hard to use or keeping up with the Joneses of other products or just to have new marketing pictures that look "modern". Not JetBrains, but I worked at a small app company that embarked on multiple UX re-dos for the vaguest of reasons. If your company has a charismatic VP of De…
Even with UX studies, it's very easy for people to get the answer they want or draw the conclusion they want to.
Worked for a company that went full circle multiple times on its UI for what was ultimately a very large form between a single page with collapsible modules and tabbed UI layouts as the UX feedback oscillated between "Users don't know all these options are there and we want them to discover them because they keep asking us to implement features we already have" and "Users are overwhelmed by the number of options on screen"
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think that they haven't already considered it? It's rather offensive to assume that a group of UX professionals decided to take on a massive overhaul just for fun. Given UX has never been a major priority at JetBrains, it implies that they decided it was valuable enough to spend the time and money on this. I just can't imagine this was done on a whim
It didn't have to be UX team. It could have been some marketing genius that came to UX team and told them that his nephew is using new funky, black background IDE called VS Code, which is all the hottest nowadays, so IntelliJ HAS TO catch up, should become modern, trendy and fun again, so it will bring more sales. I only hope nephew didn't mention Electron backend.
You joke about Electron but IntelliJ's Swing based UI doesn't feel more responsive and if they'd change it to cache or make async whatever it's spending a minute doing on startup then I could actually consider using it for more than just Java
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The fact that reddit still has old.reddit.com available is a testament to the failure of the new design.
IMO, it is not that the old reddit UI is very good, but the new reddit is just terrible. I wonder how many percent of users are sticking with the old UI.
Iirc, the figures for some prominent subreddits were shared and it was like 10% old Reddit, 20% new Reddit, 40% first party apps, 30% third party apps
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
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> does 90% of what IntelliJ does, and arguably 40% of it better What if those remaining 10% are essential to your productivity ? Like, will it autocomplete in my Django projects the way Pycharm does with models, up to their relations ? If so I may give it a try.
Pycharm has always been great at Django. But it’s autocomplete, even for project specific stuff is now superseded by copilot.
Well... thanks but no !