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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by watwut »

funcDropShadow wrote: post #178
pjmlp wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to debug JNI code in Jetbrains IDEs, go try it. Ah, I forgot they rather sell a Clion license instead. Or stop the damm thing to run indexing, or avoid doing 10 finger combos, showing code problems without running inspections, doing Java compilation on save without using Eclipse's own compiler,...

> showing code problems without running inspections You can configure which inspections are run all the time and which are not > doing Java compilation on save without using Eclipse's own compiler If you are saving files with Intellij. Configure Intellij to save when focus is lost. I haven't pressed Ctrl-S in 15 years in Intellij. Regarding the automatic compiling whenever you save, like in Eclipse. I am really happy…

> I can work slow compiling projects at all.

Eclipse has incremental compile. Only parts you changed are compiling and it is not slow at all.

> I can work with refactoring features while my code is in the middle of larger refactoring and it doesn't compile.

That works in Eclipse perfectly well - except that code completion and suggestions are much better then the ones you get in Idea.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by matsemann »

SebastianKra wrote: post #232

> - Rounding of corners. Religion at this point > - Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode > - Animations. Haven't seen them but it will be filled Seriously, HN? This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Unlike the author, I happen to have used this UI for the past five months and it solves many of my longstanding gripes with IntelliJ: - Gutters are now much better at highlighting local…

Personally I'm not "rewarding the post with hundred of points", but I've upvoted because I share the sentiment and want JetBrains to really consider each change they make: Is it for change's sake, or because it's actually better?

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by Vinnl »

faizshah wrote: post #140
Gigachad wrote: post #125

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UI refreshes are a funny thing. I remember avidly hating the look of YouTube when they removed all the borders from things. And now when I see the old version, it looks quite bad and the current one very good. It’s an uncomfortable feeling to see something new, and sometimes it genuinely is a step backwards, but I feel most of the time it’s progress and you get over it after a month.

Same, the only refresh that I feel is genuinely bad is reddit. The problem with new reddit is that the usage pattern is totally different. Old reddit can be rapidly browsed and only the posts that interest you are the ones that you give attention, in new reddit posts can’t be rapidly browsed and each one is supposed to grab your attention (in my opinion).

I'm not sure how much of that is the UI, and how much of that is just that it's unbearably slow. I feel like the UI could work quite well if it actually loaded roughly instantly.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by sgt »

shitlord wrote: post #215
sgt wrote: post #176

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Why would one do remote development with laptops being as powerful as they are today (think: the raw power of an M1 Mac Book Air even).

Because my ec2 dev server is even more powerful, and I can easily upgrade the hardware configuration without spending $1k on a new laptop. I never really appreciated a remote dev server until I had to work on a behemoth Java project and then a behemoth C++ project. Having the extra memory and the extra cores is great. Never having to worry about your laptop heating up or having your battery die due to CPU load is eve…

I guess if your IDE is as responsive as anything else locally and only the compiling and runtime happens in the cloud it might be somewhat pleasant to work with. But what if you decide to do something from a coffee shop and the WiFi is super laggy. Or doing something while traveling etc. I like to know that my dev station is independent of an Internet connection.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by dotancohen »

alias_neo wrote: post #151
dotancohen wrote: post #126

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> Nah I'm fine with it, because I never go to the website and just use mail > clients; I can tolerate you its existence, out of sight out of mind and all that. And that contributes nothing to this thread because we are discussing the Jetbrains UI and the Gmail UI was an analogy. Unless you would like to argue that we can ignore Jetbrains UI changes like Gmail UI changes because we can use VIM as an interface to the c…

I'm afraid my British humour (sarcasm) may have been lost here. I'm neither fine with Gmail, nor with major changes to Jetbrains IDE which I've been using every day for years now, and totally agree with all of the points in the article (and by extension this thread).

  > I'm afraid my British humour (sarcasm) may have been lost here.
That's fine. Apparently you're no Eric Idle, but I'm no Einstein here either.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by wiseowise »

foepys wrote: post #200
wiseowise wrote: post #110

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Of course not. IntelliJ is on another level when it comes features, if you really think people use IntelliJ for their UI, you’re deeply mistaken.

Jetbrains has a lot more IDEs than just IntelliJ.

I mean IntelliJ platform, not IntelliJ Idea.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by GordonS »

9dev wrote: post #66
imron wrote: post #34

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> Forget what VSCode is doing. Except for remote development extension. Do that. It's the killer feature of VSCode.

They do that, I’m playing with it now. Have a look at Jetbrains Gateway: https://www.jetbrains.com/remote-development/gateway/

Does it work with Rider yet? At launch it didn't, something to do with Rider using (or not, I forget!) an out of process language server.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by aembleton »

bugbuddy wrote: post #103

Yet another another great product that is falling prey to the newism ideology where change is almost worshipped for its own sake. You see this problem everywhere nowadays from Cinemas to architecture. People have lost the ability to appreciate timeless designs. Another good example of this is the new Apple iPhone 14 pro hole. To many it is better because it is newer. Never mind that the fact that there is actually no…

> People have lost the ability to appreciate timeless designs

So they weren't timeless. If they were, then the appreciation wouldn't have been lost.

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