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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by selfhoster11 »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #192
uwuemu wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't possibly call yourself a "professional developer" (and it sounds like you're not pointing out that you're paid for the work, but that you're a "pro") and then talk about debugging as something you rarely do. If debugging (with a debugger) is something you rarely do, you may be paid for your work, but I wouldn't call you a pro. You should be debugging alongside development to gain deep understanding and redu…

That’s funny, because I’m always skeptical about people who fire in all judgy about the way other people work when they know literally nothing about who they are or what they do, and I am always right.

I think that parent’s point was that debugging is an exceedingly powerful tool, and therefore leaving it out of your toolset by definition makes you less powerful as a programmer. It’s not even such an esoteric skill - operating the simplest kind of a GUI debugger is maybe learning 5-6 different actions, and the IDE often takes care of the details of setting up the debugger for you.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by SebastianKra »

> - Rounding of corners. Religion at this point

> - Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode

> - Animations. Haven't seen them but it will be filled

Seriously, HN? This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Unlike the author, I happen to have used this UI for the past five months and it solves many of my longstanding gripes with IntelliJ:

- Gutters are now much better at highlighting local changes, while also being less visually obtrusive.

- The shaded tool window background nicely separates them from the editor

- Showing the git branch next to the title makes it so much easier to understand where I am, when I work with multiple projects and branches.

- Breadcrumbs in the Statusbar save some space and look much cleaner

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Also, many of the complaints that I've seen in this thread are either wrong or exaggerated:

- "Monochrome icons" - Only the toolbar icons are monochrome, everything else still uses coloured icons.

- "The toolbar has less icons now" - It's customisable, you can put whatever you want in there. Yes, with colourful icons.

- "More Whitespace" - The vertical space from the top of the screen to the editor is the exact same. The Project view actually looses some vertical space, but only because the font size is bigger (Which you can change obviously). The spacing between the list items is the same according to a designer on Slack.

- "This is just some incompetent designer pushing their agenda on us, breaking my workflow because something something trends" - go touch grass.

And finally, just to be clear: no, there are no animations - everything is instant.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by abenga »

yellow_lead wrote: post #152
faizshah wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, the only refresh that I feel is genuinely bad is reddit. The problem with new reddit is that the usage pattern is totally different. Old reddit can be rapidly browsed and only the posts that interest you are the ones that you give attention, in new reddit posts can’t be rapidly browsed and each one is supposed to grab your attention (in my opinion).

The fact that reddit still has old.reddit.com available is a testament to the failure of the new design.

I keep hoping they'd disable this and shut the API to rif is fun, then I'd be able to quit Reddit permanently.

I kid, I kid.

But not really.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by selfhoster11 »

imron wrote: post #34
ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #2

Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

> Forget what VSCode is doing. Except for remote development extension. Do that. It's the killer feature of VSCode.

This is literally the only reason I use VS Code right now.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by watwut »

faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

> Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages

They dont, not compared to eclipse and java. They are more lightway and look nicer, but it does much less for you. (The default call hierarchy is just atrocious for example, you can see only problems from small part of project etc)

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by [deleted] »

manigandham wrote: post #172
boomlinde wrote: post #156

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At the bottom of this guide there are two links to switch from the current state-of-the-art design to the "basic HTML" version, and back, should you regret it: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en The "basic HTML" version is probably not exactly as any previous version but it's a good approximation. I think it makes much better use of color and space, and the buttons have text labels instead of using an…

You can switch the gmail UI buttons to be text labels.

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by keyle »

wiseowise wrote: post #115
keyle wrote: post #18

After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…

Being native has nothing to do with performance. XCode is native, and it is easily one of the slowest, dog shit IDEs you can think of.

Wisdom from the wise. And you're correct. Still, it's possible.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by keyle »

JodieBenitez wrote: post #78
keyle wrote: post #18

After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…

> does 90% of what IntelliJ does, and arguably 40% of it better What if those remaining 10% are essential to your productivity ? Like, will it autocomplete in my Django projects the way Pycharm does with models, up to their relations ? If so I may give it a try.

Parts of the debugger I miss.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by selfhoster11 »

sgt wrote: post #176
imron wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Forget what VSCode is doing. Except for remote development extension. Do that. It's the killer feature of VSCode.

Why would one do remote development with laptops being as powerful as they are today (think: the raw power of an M1 Mac Book Air even).

Company policy, network topology/firewalls, having to run things in a terminal on another machine (which is already there with remote development).
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