Seems a bit dumb to change ui to match vscode. Why would anyone pay $$$ per year when vscode is free then?
Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are a professional developer, and plan to be working for several decades, is it really that much of an investment to maintain your editor config a la vim or emacs? I did a lot of work setting up vim 10 years ago, and have only had to tweak it since. It works exactly as I expect, anywhere, in a terminal, for free, and setup is as easy as checking out a repo and running a script. JetBrains is good for stuff I ra…
You can't possibly call yourself a "professional developer" (and it sounds like you're not pointing out that you're paid for the work, but that you're a "pro") and then talk about debugging as something you rarely do. If debugging (with a debugger) is something you rarely do, you may be paid for your work, but I wouldn't call you a pro. You should be debugging alongside development to gain deep understanding and redu…
That’s funny, because I’m always skeptical about people who fire in all judgy about the way other people work when they know literally nothing about who they are or what they do, and I am always right.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#193Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…
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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#194Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…
UI refreshes are a funny thing. I remember avidly hating the look of YouTube when they removed all the borders from things. And now when I see the old version, it looks quite bad and the current one very good. It’s an uncomfortable feeling to see something new, and sometimes it genuinely is a step backwards, but I feel most of the time it’s progress and you get over it after a month.
I agree that youtube "looks" better but it's objectively worse. This comment reminded me of a video I saw a decade ago and could still easily find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u6Bfnq3aZk
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#195I’m a bit between tables. On the one hand, I prefer the look of the new UI. It looks nice, yet I can clearly find things.
But on the other hand, it puts a bunch of things I regularly use into nested submenus for seemingly no reason (the top bar where they used to be is now mostly empty).
Caveat: I only used it for a short time, as neither Webstorm nor Rider work properly with the current EAP + new UI.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the flip side, the only thing I want Jetbrains to do is implement proper UI scaling. I want to be able to hit Command+Plus and scale up the whole interface for presenting something to the team or when I have to code pair with someone who doesn't have as large of a monitor as I do. Presentation mode is an absolute mess, and does not help with code pairing or code review presentations, and font scaling only affects…
I would not like Command-Plus, as in most cases you want to increase the font size of the editor, not everything around it. Then it would work like a web app or an Electron app, which is not ideal for pro apps. But I think you do have some good points around the presentation mode.
I am perfectly fine with it scaling everything, it would certainly be better than the current situation.
Sometimes, especially when I'm pairing with a junior that has a smaller screen, I want to scale everything because I want them to see everything. In this case scaling the whole UI is a benefit even if it is a "pro" application.
YMMV, and having alternative but consistent scaling options (such as all text in the file editor rather than piecemeal) would be a massive step up from the chaos at the moment. As already mentioned, the best part of this feature rather than a full UI redesign is that you don't have to use it!
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#197I actually _really_ like these changes, but then again I was previously a VS Code user. I think JetBrains is specifically courting users who, like me, don't deal well with user interfaces that utilize large numbers of text labels. I think they're catching up to "modern design", and trying to skate to where the puck is so to speak. However, I do want to point out that I don't think the author has actually used the new…
> user interfaces that utilize large numbers of text labels
That, happens to be exactly what I want (icon + label for most things).
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is going to be Swing.
Yeah, I figured they were rolling the turd in glitter one more time. I’d love to see their IDEs re-platformed on Electron. I’m not ordinarily a fan, but VS Code has shown us how good an Electron-based IDE can be (while Atom showed us the opposite).
> I’m not ordinarily a fan, but VS Code has shown us how good an Electron-based IDE can be
yes, if you invest hundreds of millions of dollars and spend hundreds of man years on trivial things like "we can't make terminal output fast because web tech".
Do not mistake a single success story achieved through insane effort and unlimited money with "this is the way".
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#199also it seems intellij community edition is going away.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
True, but people will also not have to explain themselves when they eventually switch to VS Code because VS Code is free, has the same UI, and get more feature rich by the week.
Of course not. IntelliJ is on another level when it comes features, if you really think people use IntelliJ for their UI, you’re deeply mistaken.
Jetbrains has a lot more IDEs than just IntelliJ.