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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by steve_taylor »

wiseowise wrote: post #119
steve_taylor wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. The only reason I find VS Code somewhat interesting is that the UI is a lot smoother. But if this is going to be a new look on top of the same old molasses that is Swing, then I don’t see the point.

It is going to be Swing.

Yeah, I figured they were rolling the turd in glitter one more time.

I’d love to see their IDEs re-platformed on Electron. I’m not ordinarily a fan, but VS Code has shown us how good an Electron-based IDE can be (while Atom showed us the opposite).

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

Am I the only one who has a mostly clear IDE? Stock Jetbrains IDEs are way too cluttered.

You can replace the entire menu bar and a few other things with learning the shortcut to search Actions and the omni search shortcut for code & more. So long as those are retained in the new UI, I don't see the issue here.

Tangent: This to me is the same as the obsession with multiple monitors. You don't need it. Virtual desktops/workspaces do the same job in less physical space and let you actually organise your software.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by mariusmg »

michaelanckaert wrote: post #124

If they end up removing the current UI I’ll end up cancelling my subscription. I’ve been a very happy paying customer for over 8 years now but this is ridiculous. The current UI has text (!!) tabs instead of bland non descriptive icons. It has toolbars and menu items that I can configure. I understand that the current generation of new developers are intimidated by so much raw power at their hands ;) But we have got…

>I understand that the current generation of new developers are intimidated by so much raw power at their hands ;)

The new generation is fucking things up for us. Text > icons.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by _tom_ »

rob74 wrote: post #75
smilekzs wrote: post #12

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I'm not even being cynical --- this to me reads like: Sure, we will eventually shove it down your throat whether you like it or not, so there's no need to worry for the time being!

Yes you are being cynical - what they write is: > The current UI will remain available for at least two years, and we’re not going to remove it until we’ve seen that the vast majority of our users have successfully made the switch to the new UI. this sounds like you have to actively switch to the new UI if you already have an older version installed, and that they will be monitoring how many users have made the switc…

What they have written is they are going to force a change. It's very clear. As soon as we have moved most people over, we will force you to move. You don't even have to read between the lines, it's explicit.

"We won't force it for two years". We are gonna force it in two years.

"We won't until the vast minority" we will as soon as most people have moved.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by happymellon »

sylv3r wrote: post #141
happymellon wrote: post #38

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On the flip side, the only thing I want Jetbrains to do is implement proper UI scaling. I want to be able to hit Command+Plus and scale up the whole interface for presenting something to the team or when I have to code pair with someone who doesn't have as large of a monitor as I do. Presentation mode is an absolute mess, and does not help with code pairing or code review presentations, and font scaling only affects…

> On the flip side, the only thing I want Jetbrains to do is implement proper UI scaling. Oh man I'm still mad that if I want to present my Jetbrains IDE screen and make it readable, I have to change 2 fonts, one for the editor, one for the interface.

It's nice that it's being an accepted point of view this time.

Usually I get a lot of aggressive responses about how I don't understand presentation mode. I do, and it's crap.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by not_kurt_godel »

Gigachad wrote: post #125
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

UI refreshes are a funny thing. I remember avidly hating the look of YouTube when they removed all the borders from things. And now when I see the old version, it looks quite bad and the current one very good. It’s an uncomfortable feeling to see something new, and sometimes it genuinely is a step backwards, but I feel most of the time it’s progress and you get over it after a month.

Changed aesthetics are fine. Even when they suck you eventually get used to them. Changed functionality - which with UI refreshes often entails removal of more advanced or subtle features - is the killer. Designers who don't understand how products work in depth look at complexity they don't understand and decide nobody needs it if they personally don't get what it's for.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by ChymeraXYZ »

faizshah wrote: post #128
colordrops wrote: post #96

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If you are a professional developer, and plan to be working for several decades, is it really that much of an investment to maintain your editor config a la vim or emacs? I did a lot of work setting up vim 10 years ago, and have only had to tweak it since. It works exactly as I expect, anywhere, in a terminal, for free, and setup is as easy as checking out a repo and running a script. JetBrains is good for stuff I ra…

Honestly yes, I would rather pay someone to do it than maintain it myself especially across languages it just becomes a real nightmare. I need text editing, jupyter rendering, sql client, csv spreadsheet rendering, vim keybindings, git client, terminal/ssh, autocomplete, documentation tooltips and “run highlighted in repl” support at a minimum. These are all part of my weekly workflow, I have tried to use spacemacs b…

I have only recently tried GoLand while living in vim for ~5 years. IMO vim's autocomplete is significantly better than GoLand. Not saying the rest of the auto-insert helpers, but the completion itself is way better imo.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by toxicFork »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #163

Am I the only one who has a mostly clear IDE? Stock Jetbrains IDEs are way too cluttered. You can replace the entire menu bar and a few other things with learning the shortcut to search Actions and the omni search shortcut for code & more. So long as those are retained in the new UI, I don't see the issue here. Tangent: This to me is the same as the obsession with multiple monitors. You don't need it. Virtual desktop…

Tangent: I am traveling at the moment and I miss my second monitor a lot.

It's like saying you don't need toilets when you can dig a hole in the ground and use leaves to wipe instead of toilet paper.

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