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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by miskin »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #179
lars_francke wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch branches? Let's index it all again! Working on a Rust project? Let's index the Go stdlib. It'll be ready in 10-20 min, please hold. I've been waiting for indexing improvemence for over 10 years, not holding my breath.

IntelliJ reindexes existing jdks and the whole spring ecosystem on my system, daily. I think their developers have no idea how it works either and just gave up some time after the useless shared indices came out.

Do you have enabled "Public shared indexes"? It should be able to download pre-built indexes for both JDK and many Maven libraries.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by jsmeaton »

SebastianKra wrote: post #232

> - Rounding of corners. Religion at this point > - Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode > - Animations. Haven't seen them but it will be filled Seriously, HN? This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Unlike the author, I happen to have used this UI for the past five months and it solves many of my longstanding gripes with IntelliJ: - Gutters are now much better at highlighting local…

I’m glad someone else called this out.

“I imagine it’ll suck but I haven’t used it, and they’re breaking the UI for the wrong reasons”.

Such a quick transition from imagining someone doing something and then getting angry at your own imagination.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by eptcyka »

faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

I'm still not fine with gmail.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by biofox »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #132
ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #2

Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

> Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. Fascinating. Their flat, contrast-less and confusing UI is one of my biggest chafing points with their product. If I want to resize an UI element, I often have to make several guesses before I find the right border, let alone pixel.

Flat UIs, icons with no text, and countless undocumented features are the reasons I now hate using computers.

The mental overhead in trying to learn and remember what to click to achieve what I want is exhausting, and somehow, in far too many apps, there's no way to look-up what the shortcut keys are.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by DocTomoe »

wiseowise wrote: post #123
dudeinjapan wrote: post #81

This happens when a company hires new product managers who don't give a hoot about what made the product originally great to begin with. I call it "Skypeification"

What made product originally great? Features, not UI.

Unless in the cases where the UI was actually part of the featureset.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by monlockandkey »

patates wrote: post #92
presentation wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From their FAQ: Will Fleet replace any existing JetBrains IDEs? No, it will not. We are fully committed to continuing active development of our IntelliJ-based IDEs. With Fleet, we’re aiming to offer an alternative view on how an IDE can be organized, and this is impossible to implement within our current product line without going against the expectations of developers currently using those other IDEs. This means Fle…

> This means Fleet will co-exist with our established products This means it will take resources away from the development of the established products. You cannot have the cake and eat it.

Fleet has been in development for multiple years. It has already "taken away" dev resource. It is not my our job to micro manage their dev resources.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by aembleton »

fareesh wrote: post #26

I find the entire "java world" as I like to think of it, littered with slow IDEs. The "Electron bloat world" editors have been much more snappy in my experience. Typically the "java world" editors will lag out to the point where tapping on the "File" menu will take 3-5 seconds on occasion. Also they seem to rely on "indexing" and while the "indexing" operating is taking place, the entire editor just slows to a comple…

> tapping on the "File" menu will take 3-5 seconds on occasion.

Are you still using a hard disk drive? I think I was last time I saw a delay that took that long on IntelliJ IDEA.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by chrisseaton »

colordrops wrote: post #96
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

If you are a professional developer, and plan to be working for several decades, is it really that much of an investment to maintain your editor config a la vim or emacs? I did a lot of work setting up vim 10 years ago, and have only had to tweak it since. It works exactly as I expect, anywhere, in a terminal, for free, and setup is as easy as checking out a repo and running a script. JetBrains is good for stuff I ra…

> I did a lot of work setting up vim 10 years ago

Apologies if you have accessibility needs and that’s the reason, but otherwise what is so unique about your editing requirements that requires such extreme customisation? I just use tools as they come. I try not to change anything. Less entropy in my life.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by egberts1 »

Clion still hasnt got its Makefile auto-regen working yet. Sometime makes a project unuseable until Makefile is deleted and recreated from Makefile.am

Why are JetBrain engineers re-working on what was a pretty good UI and not actually working on broken internal things?

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by ByThyGrace »

hsn915 wrote: post #89
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

> I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. We are not fine with it. It really sucks. It's just out of our hands. To this day I hate the gmail interface. It used to be so much better back in the day.

IIRC on desktop you can still use the old-ish (at least, plain HTML) version of gmail if you disable Javascript once logged in. At least it worked quite recently for me.
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