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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by bowsamic »

hsn915 wrote: post #89
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

> I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. We are not fine with it. It really sucks. It's just out of our hands. To this day I hate the gmail interface. It used to be so much better back in the day.

Yep, exactly. We tolerate it, and people forget how much better it used to be

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by marginalia_nu »

ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #2

Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

> Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea.

Fascinating. Their flat, contrast-less and confusing UI is one of my biggest chafing points with their product. If I want to resize an UI element, I often have to make several guesses before I find the right border, let alone pixel.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by dmitriid »

spockz wrote: post #21
djha-skin wrote: post #3

Obligatory xkcd reference to "UI Change": https://xkcd.com/1770/ JetBrains is obviously becoming more like VS Code here so that they aren't edged out of the market. "Copy your competitors". Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable because UI changes are annoying. However we have to see things from JetBrain's perspective. They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly d…

Why is VSCode eating their lunch? IntelliJ’s refactoring is miles ahead. As well as support for the jvm languages. Intellisafe and jump to declaration are also better imho. The only thing that I can think of is that vscode is free and “good enough”. The integration for JavaScript and golang seems to be more “natural” in VSCode, somehow. If you are using the free IntelliJ tools you get a crappy js editor when using th…

> Why is VSCode eating their lunch?

- People don't know better. That is, they literally have no idea what a proper IDE is and what it does. Hence all the "VS Code is as good as IDEA" comments

- It's free. People feel entitled to have even the most complex software apps for free.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by wiseowise »

art0rz wrote: post #10
djha-skin wrote: post #3

Obligatory xkcd reference to "UI Change": https://xkcd.com/1770/ JetBrains is obviously becoming more like VS Code here so that they aren't edged out of the market. "Copy your competitors". Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable because UI changes are annoying. However we have to see things from JetBrain's perspective. They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly d…

Kind of a strange move indeed, considering their announcement of Fleet, which aims to do exactly that

Kind of strange move to unify UI between two unrelated, but complementing products, yeah, really strange.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by dotancohen »

imron wrote: post #34
ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #2

Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

> Forget what VSCode is doing. Except for remote development extension. Do that. It's the killer feature of VSCode.

  > Except for remote development extension.
And the roads.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by winrid »

wiseowise wrote: post #105

I’m sorry, It’s impossible to take someone seriously who considers them professional and yet relies on clicking (!) icons for their workflow in IDE. The only right way to work on IntelliJ products is to leave only code editor, hide everything else and work through keyboard.

I've worked with dozens of jetbrains IDE users and nobody ever did that. Sure, we use a lot of keyboard bindings, but...

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by dotancohen »

rob74 wrote: post #75
smilekzs wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not even being cynical --- this to me reads like: Sure, we will eventually shove it down your throat whether you like it or not, so there's no need to worry for the time being!

Yes you are being cynical - what they write is: > The current UI will remain available for at least two years, and we’re not going to remove it until we’ve seen that the vast majority of our users have successfully made the switch to the new UI. this sounds like you have to actively switch to the new UI if you already have an older version installed, and that they will be monitoring how many users have made the switc…

  > will remain available
Sounds to me that it will not be the default. And their is a time-honoured trick in our industry of hiding an option deep in the menus, to drive down adoption, to preclude removal of a feature.

Not to mention how many bug reports with be followed up with "Try in the new UI" as their only reply. We've seen this with Firefox, LibreOffice, KDE, Gnome, and so many other once-useful software.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by manmal »

anthropodie wrote: post #40

I love Jebrains IDEs. They can save you lot of time. For example, VSCode does not even come close to Jetbrains git branch comparison. It's insanely good. I think a proper IDE is always better than adding 10s of extension to get similar functionality from VScode. Even then it does not compare to the beast that is Jetbrains IDE. Jetbrains should keep working on their own thing instead of trying to change because of som…

As a VSCode user, I can see myself switching to Jetbrains because of these changes. Doing the occasional Flutter project, I always use VSCode for that instead of Android Studio. I just can’t stand the clutter and UI bloat in classic IntelliJ. I’m often on a 15“ screen, maybe that’s a contributing factor.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by dietr1ch »

alias_neo wrote: post #106
irrational wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve used gmail pretty much since day 1, but I can’t recall any of the previous interfaces. What were the good features of previous ones?

Fast and light which it currently is not. It was also pretty easy to find and read your email, which it currently is not.

You can still opt-in into the ancient HTML UI. It's really lightweight and network-bandwidth friendly, but not having shortcuts for some basic actions makes it a little bit too arcane and sometimes way slower than just paying the resource costs.

I wish there was a better balance between both UIs. The "better looking" one wastes too much resources (CPU, memory, screen space).

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by faizshah »

Gigachad wrote: post #125
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

UI refreshes are a funny thing. I remember avidly hating the look of YouTube when they removed all the borders from things. And now when I see the old version, it looks quite bad and the current one very good. It’s an uncomfortable feeling to see something new, and sometimes it genuinely is a step backwards, but I feel most of the time it’s progress and you get over it after a month.

Same, the only refresh that I feel is genuinely bad is reddit. The problem with new reddit is that the usage pattern is totally different. Old reddit can be rapidly browsed and only the posts that interest you are the ones that you give attention, in new reddit posts can’t be rapidly browsed and each one is supposed to grab your attention (in my opinion).
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