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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by bredren »

JodieBenitez wrote: post #78
keyle wrote: post #18

After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…

> does 90% of what IntelliJ does, and arguably 40% of it better What if those remaining 10% are essential to your productivity ? Like, will it autocomplete in my Django projects the way Pycharm does with models, up to their relations ? If so I may give it a try.

Pycharm has always been great at Django. But it’s autocomplete, even for project specific stuff is now superseded by copilot.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by patates »

presentation wrote: post #64
matsemann wrote: post #42

I love how all the panels/windows in Jetbrains are just text. Like "run", "maven", "database", "terminal". The new icons take up more than twice the space (thickness vs the vertical text), and conveys nothing at all about what they do. Also one of the reasons I'm not that thrilled about Fleet. I get it's easy to just in general be negative to change. But these are professional tools. I've used it for over a decade. I…

From their FAQ: Will Fleet replace any existing JetBrains IDEs? No, it will not. We are fully committed to continuing active development of our IntelliJ-based IDEs. With Fleet, we’re aiming to offer an alternative view on how an IDE can be organized, and this is impossible to implement within our current product line without going against the expectations of developers currently using those other IDEs. This means Fle…

> This means Fleet will co-exist with our established products

This means it will take resources away from the development of the established products. You cannot have the cake and eat it.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by RedShift1 »

searchableguy wrote: post #50

One reason for increasing space and element size is due to increase of myopia and other vision related problems in recent decades.

Unpopular opinion: so the majority has to suffer for the minority? Just give us the option to have both and the users can decide for themselves whether they need a special UI or not.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by faizshah »

jsyolo wrote: post #74
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

I don't know, why bother with such a slow bloated thing when it can't even get some basic stuff right that you just expect to work? https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/WEB-57184/wrong-warning... Found that while searching for the same problem

The git client is easy, the db and docker clients are useful, the kube integration is useful, ideavim is pretty seamless, the autocomplete is great, the jupyter and scientific modes are perfect, the remote debugger and remote interpreter thing is very useful, the debugger is great across languages…I mean there’s so many things that are good and I get them all uniformly across languages without needing to hassle with configurations and plugins.

I did make an attempt to be the million line vimrc, t480, arch Linux guy (from reading HN) for a month or two but I found it was taking up so much time it was basically a hobby. I would rather just have something that works out the box (Mac + jetbrains) and be able to spend work and hobby time coding interesting stuff.

The fancy vim configuration just becomes more and more frustrating the more languages that you use and you start to run into weird things like when you start a new line in markdown the cursor doesn’t start at the same bullet indentation level so now you need to debug which plugin is messing that up.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by colordrops »

faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

If you are a professional developer, and plan to be working for several decades, is it really that much of an investment to maintain your editor config a la vim or emacs? I did a lot of work setting up vim 10 years ago, and have only had to tweak it since. It works exactly as I expect, anywhere, in a terminal, for free, and setup is as easy as checking out a repo and running a script.

JetBrains is good for stuff I rarely do in the editor, like certain types of debugging, but otherwise feels too heavy, expensive, and hard to configure across installs. Finding a particular config option is always a hunt.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by this_is_not_you »

imron wrote: post #34
ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #2

Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

> Forget what VSCode is doing. Except for remote development extension. Do that. It's the killer feature of VSCode.

Last time I tried remote development with PyCharm was when they released their "Remote development" beta in version 2021.3 [1]. It was a bad experience. Before that they only had some complicated sync workaround for remote development which I could not get used to.

I gave up on remote development with PyCharm and went with VSCode.

Based on your comment it seems they still haven't figured it out?

[1] https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/whatsnew/2021-3/#remote-de...

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by irrational »

hsn915 wrote: post #89
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

> I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. We are not fine with it. It really sucks. It's just out of our hands. To this day I hate the gmail interface. It used to be so much better back in the day.

I’ve used gmail pretty much since day 1, but I can’t recall any of the previous interfaces. What were the good features of previous ones?

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by nimchimpsky »

ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #2

Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by irrational »

lars_francke wrote: post #62
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

Switch branches? Let's index it all again! Working on a Rust project? Let's index the Go stdlib. It'll be ready in 10-20 min, please hold. I've been waiting for indexing improvemence for over 10 years, not holding my breath.

Do I just have a really fast computer (I’m using a MacBook Pro)? I’ve never experienced this indexing issue.
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