Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

neil.computer

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 420 posts

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#121

Post by campl3r »

djha-skin wrote: post #3

Obligatory xkcd reference to "UI Change": https://xkcd.com/1770/ JetBrains is obviously becoming more like VS Code here so that they aren't edged out of the market. "Copy your competitors". Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable because UI changes are annoying. However we have to see things from JetBrain's perspective. They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly d…

> Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable

I am a paying customer because the UI is so much better than vs code. For my daily work vs code actually covers all functionality that I use, but the UI is shit so I use JetBrains. They will loose the customers that are already using it, betting that they will get more new one - a bad bed imo.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#122

Post by vladvasiliu »

deaddodo wrote: post #72
lars_francke wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch branches? Let's index it all again! Working on a Rust project? Let's index the Go stdlib. It'll be ready in 10-20 min, please hold. I've been waiting for indexing improvemence for over 10 years, not holding my breath.

I use Clion for C/C++ and Rust (with the rust plugin) and indexing seems fine. PHP, Python, Ruby and Go have been generally miserable for me.

I use Rust in IntelliJ, and the indexing is usually fine once the IDE is up.

But for some reason, whenever I reopen a project, it needs to reindex it. Even when I open the same project every day, not having changed anything in between. I understand from a friend it doesn't do that with Java projects.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#124

Post by michaelanckaert »

If they end up removing the current UI I’ll end up cancelling my subscription. I’ve been a very happy paying customer for over 8 years now but this is ridiculous.

The current UI has text (!!) tabs instead of bland non descriptive icons. It has toolbars and menu items that I can configure.

I understand that the current generation of new developers are intimidated by so much raw power at their hands ;) But we have got to stop dumbing things down. It is killing a lot of experience and knowledge and will come back to haunt us as a society.

Jetbrains is currently THE reference when it comes to professional IDEs, changing what they’re doing will not go well for them :-(

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#125

Post by Gigachad »

faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

UI refreshes are a funny thing. I remember avidly hating the look of YouTube when they removed all the borders from things. And now when I see the old version, it looks quite bad and the current one very good.

It’s an uncomfortable feeling to see something new, and sometimes it genuinely is a step backwards, but I feel most of the time it’s progress and you get over it after a month.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#126

Post by dotancohen »

alias_neo wrote: post #102
hsn915 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. We are not fine with it. It really sucks. It's just out of our hands. To this day I hate the gmail interface. It used to be so much better back in the day.

Nah I'm fine with it, because I never go to the website and just use mail clients; I can tolerate you its existence, out of sight out of mind and all that. Actually I did use the web client one time recently and I literally couldn't find an email I knew I'd just received; my inbox is kept at 0 unread; so in theory it should have been impossible NOT to see it, right? After the initial confusion then annoyance came the…

  > Nah I'm fine with it, because I never go to the website and just use mail
  > clients; I can tolerate you its existence, out of sight out of mind and all that.
And that contributes nothing to this thread because we are discussing the Jetbrains UI and the Gmail UI was an analogy. Unless you would like to argue that we can ignore Jetbrains UI changes like Gmail UI changes because we can use VIM as an interface to the code, so the Jetbrains UI is out of sight out of mind and all that.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#128

Post by faizshah »

colordrops wrote: post #96
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

If you are a professional developer, and plan to be working for several decades, is it really that much of an investment to maintain your editor config a la vim or emacs? I did a lot of work setting up vim 10 years ago, and have only had to tweak it since. It works exactly as I expect, anywhere, in a terminal, for free, and setup is as easy as checking out a repo and running a script. JetBrains is good for stuff I ra…

Honestly yes, I would rather pay someone to do it than maintain it myself especially across languages it just becomes a real nightmare. I need text editing, jupyter rendering, sql client, csv spreadsheet rendering, vim keybindings, git client, terminal/ssh, autocomplete, documentation tooltips and “run highlighted in repl” support at a minimum. These are all part of my weekly workflow, I have tried to use spacemacs because the community has setup a lot of this stuff for you already but the autocomplete is not comparable to VSCode or Jetbrains.

My dad was a vim user since the 90s and he ended up switching to IntelliJ a few years ago as well. It’s just significantly less hassle and has way more intelligent intellisense/autocomplete.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#129

Post by jsiepkes »

> and many of our new users tell us that the UI appears heavyweight and dated.

Since IntellIJ is available for many languages / platforms (Java, Android, Python, PHP, Rust, etc.) I'm seriously interested from which user group this is coming. Because in this context "dated" seems to mean: "does not look like VSCode". Since most Java devs I know don't even use VSCode I doubt it's coming from that user group.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#130

Post by EmilyHughes »

mastermedo wrote: post #39

Yes, vim + a couple of plugins. It has it’s downsides, but one thing it does well is being familiar, and never breaking a contract. Even the plugins themselves can be pinned to a certain version.

I imagine doing enterprise level java work with vim is a nightmare.
Post reply on HN