Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

nrk.no

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

201–210 of 354 posts

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#201

Post by Tomte »

nottorp wrote: post #134
AnonCoward42 wrote: post #78

Permissions from Aurora Store (3rd party to Play Store): Hayya: - control vibration - have full network access - prevent phone from sleeping - run at startup - run foreground service - view Wi-Fi connections - view network connections - access sensor data at a high sampling rate - access approximate location only in the foreground - access precise location only the foreground - listen to C2DM messages Etheraz: - acce…

I'm guessing they used some framework and the libraries they used ask for a broad set of permissions because they offer access to their functions. But they're not necessarily used. Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells…

It only tells you on which day you had "one" or "multiple" contacts with "low" or "high" risk. It's Bluetooth based, and the CoronaWarnApp doesn't even access location data.

See https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/corona-warn-ap...

"Data which can make a person identifiable, in particular location data, is not selected, used or stored."

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#202

Post by Tomte »

nottorp wrote: post #179
sofixa wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells you when and where you were close to someone who was last tested positive. So everyone does it the same way, recording location. Not sure about Germany, but in France the app doesn't track location. It tracks nearby devices (with Bluetooth, rotating identifiers frequently), and when one marks oneself as positive, it informs the central server of the ident…

My friend was definitely told where he was on the last contact. Doesn't mean his location left the phone though. [He didn't get Covid this time, but off topic for this discussion.] Edit: or maybe it's on topic because the location was at some amusement park outdoors. Since he knew where and it was relatively safe, he didn't have to worry much about the test results...

No, definitely not. There is no location info anywhere in the app, and never has been.

Obviously you can enter "library visit" in your contact diary manually, but even then there is no location involved, it's just a string of characters.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#203

Post by wartijn_ »

nottorp wrote: post #134
AnonCoward42 wrote: post #78

Permissions from Aurora Store (3rd party to Play Store): Hayya: - control vibration - have full network access - prevent phone from sleeping - run at startup - run foreground service - view Wi-Fi connections - view network connections - access sensor data at a high sampling rate - access approximate location only in the foreground - access precise location only the foreground - listen to C2DM messages Etheraz: - acce…

I'm guessing they used some framework and the libraries they used ask for a broad set of permissions because they offer access to their functions. But they're not necessarily used. Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells…

> Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then.

That’s not how PlayStore permissions work. You have to target a certain Android version to release update apps and that version dictates how permissions work. You can’t get around those requirements by using an old framework.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#204

Post by [deleted] »

brabel wrote: post #155
dillondoyle wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

laws that make simply existing illegal are dangerous by definition. not to mention greater dangers to society

I think laws against being gay are wrong, but I have to disagree with your argument that they are laws against existing. You can be gay "inside" but never act on it. That should suffice for you to not get "punished".

[deleted]

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#205

Post by tommek4077 »

aaaaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #165
thread_id wrote: post #69

In general, when travelling internationally, it is just easier to leave your phone at home and buy a cheap phone with a prepaid plan when you get to country. This avoids all of the potential intrusions that come with passing through security and borders.

Except then you can’t take good quality photos of your vacation…

If only there would be a device that lets you take high-quality pictures. Maybe storing it on a SD card. Maybe you could even put a real flash on it, for pictures at night.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#206

Post by ghostDancer »

seventhtiger wrote: post #163
decaffjoe wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to emphasize your point, we're talking about a death toll of 6k+ people to build these stadiums. What a stain on fifa, football and worldwide respect for human rights to say the least. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...

That article itself contradicts its own spin. It reads more like a hit job. "More than 6,500 migrant workers from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have died in Qatar since it won the right to host the World Cup 10 years ago" "death records are not categorised by occupation or place of work" "There have been 37 deaths among workers directly linked to construction of World Cup stadiums, of which 34 are…

"Classified as “non-work related” by the event’s organizing committee", I guess the same committee that bribed FIFA[1] and from the same government that has not really high values for human rights and much less for the rights of immigrant labor force. And no autopsies allowed to investigate deaths even. And there are much more reports about deaths[2] just search around the web . But We know that money washes everything away .

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case#Hist... [2]https://sports.yahoo.com/news/14-reasons-qatar-world-cup-174...

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#207

Post by growse »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #199
DeathArrow wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's for Quatar to decide what their laws are. They aren't telling other countries what their laws should be. Why this condescending tone and sense of moral superiority?

Why this defense of laws that go against basic human rights?

Because for some people, the notion of sovereignty is more important than human rights.

The problem is that then leads you to a strange place where you're ok with a government persecuting / murdering its own people because it's the law of the land.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#208

Post by polotics »

sofixa wrote: post #180
polotics wrote: post #90

Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks, why don't they organise a football world cup instead? Less corruption money must mean more leftover for the players and staff involved. Also instead of some nebulous process for the host country selection, get game owners to vote, they're already very securely identified. The time to ride on the complete stink the air conditioned slave-labour…

> Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks It wasn't righteous, it was over money (FIFA asking for too much). > why don't they organise a football world cup instead Because FIFA is the organising body of football, all regional (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.) and country Football Associations are under FIFA's jurisdiction (and are members of FIFA). Countries couldn't participate in a rival even…

Does FIFA own a copyright on the word "football"? no Does shipping 20 players from 50 poorer countries cost a lot? no does FIFA even owns a copyright on the words "Football World Cup"?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#209

Post by kybernetikos »

b112 wrote: post #193
kybernetikos wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/faq?lang=en it's optional in the esta although they remind you that they can reject for any reason.

Well of course it is optional, endless people don't use social media for anything at all, and have never, and will never, have logins or handles. Huge, massive amounts of people are like this. Huge. Twitter, Facebook, others have massively inflated usage numbers. I suspect people with social media logins are the minority in the US, for example. Doubt me? Do you think most people's 68 year old parents, or grandparents…

> Either way, how can you make it a requirement to provide, what is not a requirement to have?

You simply make it a requirement to provide it if you have it. That is not the same as optional. If its optional then you aren't lying to immigration if you leave it blank. If it is not optional then you are.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#210

Post by seventhtiger »

ghostDancer wrote: post #206
seventhtiger wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article itself contradicts its own spin. It reads more like a hit job. "More than 6,500 migrant workers from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have died in Qatar since it won the right to host the World Cup 10 years ago" "death records are not categorised by occupation or place of work" "There have been 37 deaths among workers directly linked to construction of World Cup stadiums, of which 34 are…

"Classified as “non-work related” by the event’s organizing committee", I guess the same committee that bribed FIFA[1] and from the same government that has not really high values for human rights and much less for the rights of immigrant labor force. And no autopsies allowed to investigate deaths even. And there are much more reports about deaths[2] just search around the web . But We know that money washes everythi…

I can't find any primary sources for excessive deaths during construction. FIFA corruption is completely unrelated.

The Qatari government is only being questioned about the 34 of 37 workers dying, and there's no evidence of a coverup either.

If your general point is "I don't like the Qatari government" that's fine. If your point is hundreds of workers died at work but was covered up then a lot more solid evidence is needed to back that up.

Post reply on HN