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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by nixcraft »

worstestes wrote: post #80
lisper wrote: post #64

This is the reason that when I travel I carry two phones. One is the phone I actually use, and the other is the one I give to authorities when they ask for my phone. It is astonishing to me that not once have I ever been asked if I have a second phone. (It will be an interesting experiment to see if that happens now that I have posted this here.)

Where do authorities ask for your phone? Just curious

It happens everywhere, from the developed countries to the far east. You have zero rights when crossing the border at immigration control, especially when your passport is weak or they believe you will not leave the country. They log into your IG and WhatsApp and check everything. Otherwise, they will deny entry. They made it legal. Sometimes a person has nothing to hide but nerves first time traveller and gets sucked into that void too.

Do you know the worst part? Once you unlock your phone and give them your passcode, they take it away and tell you to wait. So now have no idea what they are doing with your phone. Would you trust that device? That is why a burner phone is needed, I guess.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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creatonez wrote: post #146
DeathArrow wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And in a country where e.g. homosexuality is illegal this kind of stuff presents additional dangers beyond compromising your privacy." What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? You are in danger in any country if you entry it with the intent of breaking the laws.

Is this website even moderated anymore? Every time I visit Hacker News it gets even more extremist.

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by seventhtiger »

decaffjoe wrote: post #115
ghostDancer wrote: post #39

All the news about slavery and bad treatment of workers to build the infrastructures and silencing or minimizing by western press and now this. No surprise when you organize a thing like the Football World Cup in a dictatorship like Qatar in exchange for money this is you can expect. Just let's hope it does not get used as a backdoor by other with even worse intentions.

Just to emphasize your point, we're talking about a death toll of 6k+ people to build these stadiums. What a stain on fifa, football and worldwide respect for human rights to say the least. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...

That article itself contradicts its own spin. It reads more like a hit job.

"More than 6,500 migrant workers from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have died in Qatar since it won the right to host the World Cup 10 years ago"

"death records are not categorised by occupation or place of work"

"There have been 37 deaths among workers directly linked to construction of World Cup stadiums, of which 34 are classified as “non-work related” by the event’s organising committee."

"its 2 million-strong migrant workforce"

6500 deaths in a 10 year span, out of a 2 million demographic. Only 37 of those 6000 were workers actually linked to the construction of the stadiums. Only 3 of those are confirmed to be dead on site.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by skrebbel »

ryandrake wrote: post #42
fy20 wrote: post #15

This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

> This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. I’ve never encountered this when crossing a border and don’t even know how I would sensibly answer any of this. I don’t use social media and don’t travel with a smart phone. So what now? Would they make me buy one in the airport and sign up for…

When I applied for a us tourist visa I was explicitly signing away any rights to privacy. I forgot the exact formulation but it went along the lines of “I understand that by travelling into the US I have no expectation of privacy whatsoever”, click checkbox or you can’t continue to the next page, where I was asked to enter all my social media usernames.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by aaaaaaaaaaaaab »

thread_id wrote: post #69

In general, when travelling internationally, it is just easier to leave your phone at home and buy a cheap phone with a prepaid plan when you get to country. This avoids all of the potential intrusions that come with passing through security and borders.

Except then you can’t take good quality photos of your vacation…

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by truemotive »

jl6 wrote: post #105
curiousgal wrote: post #51

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A more likely scenario which mirrors how discriminatory laws work elsewhere: 1. Get arrested for a minor offence like speeding. 2. Law enforcement checks your app and infers you are gay (maybe wedding photos of you and your spouse?) 3. It was going to be just a fine, but now you are facing prosecution for the much more serious offence of being gay. 4. Law enforcement officer can make the charges disappear for the rig…

No, it’s worse. All of these steps are asynchronous besides #1, which they don’t need to do upfront… We are apparently in the age of “I can draw a square on google maps, so that makes me privy to [chunk of mass privacy information]”.

Worse is they don’t even need the mapping platform to cooperate. Most of this information probably still flows through second-party data brokers or else we would have heard whispers that those organizations are “too big to fail” or something.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

themitigating wrote: post #135
Asraelite wrote: post #81

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Why is arrogant? Because I'm claiming a moral value is objective? I believe certain moral issues are objective. I'm not a philosopher or anything similar so I can't go into depth but moral relativism and subjective morality are debated subjects. Here's a great article on objective morality. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/excellent-beauty/201...

While I appreciate the sentiment, the article performs a sleight of hand by connecting the unassailable "harm is bad by definition" to "those are harmful things". Relativists argue that what is harmful is not a mathematical truth, but rather a result of a given system of values.

In the end, the article just shows one point of reference, but fails to establish that it's objective.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by truemotive »

revolutukr wrote: post #23
fy20 wrote: post #15

This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

> The only difference here is that they were able to build an app to do all the tracking in plain sight. I'm sure governments in the US and Europe would love to be able to force all visitors to install a similar app. Yet, we do not because unlike in Qatar, the UAE and other religious dictatorships, we are a democracy and we have the ability to change our government. You can do better than whatbouatism.

Yes, I too enjoy my decision on a daily basis as to whether I prefer Pepsi or Coke.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by truemotive »

psychphysic wrote: post #152

There is certainly an issue with people being required to install government apps. And this is an interesting case of that but this is wildly overblown. I don't have to go to the world cup, it'll actually be really hard to go. I'd have to be desperate or wildly rich. But I do have to use several government apps on my phone even if just installing them for a brief period. That's the really issue. Installing an app on…

I don’t think they’re complaining, which leads me to believe that’s another reason for them to field test this and even just capture info on how many idiotrich leave the country with a rootkit on their phone.
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