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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by truemotive »

sofixa wrote: post #137
Roark66 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point few years ago it became practically impossible to do any business in China from the outside without what's app (no idea why as allegedly its banned there). This is around the some time samsung had their "My Knox" feature on their S8 or S9 phone. This feature was like an isolated container for apps, an android equivalent of VM. The purpose was to place your banking and other critical apps there and the n…

Xiaomi have a similar feature, where only some specific combination of buttons/fingerprins would unlock the phone into the special mode containing the special apps (so more tailored for stuff you want to hide than the inverse).

Hmm, that certainly sounds… extremely measurable.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by mikro2nd »

Ekaros wrote: post #86
reactspa wrote: post #62

I wish the "experts" were also sounding alarms about required face-scanning when I am trying to board an airplane in the West?

Or that certain border agencies demand you to give electronic devices and password to them. Seems extremely late to get on board of this issue.

It's never too late to fight authoritarianism.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by sofixa »

nottorp wrote: post #134
AnonCoward42 wrote: post #78

Permissions from Aurora Store (3rd party to Play Store): Hayya: - control vibration - have full network access - prevent phone from sleeping - run at startup - run foreground service - view Wi-Fi connections - view network connections - access sensor data at a high sampling rate - access approximate location only in the foreground - access precise location only the foreground - listen to C2DM messages Etheraz: - acce…

I'm guessing they used some framework and the libraries they used ask for a broad set of permissions because they offer access to their functions. But they're not necessarily used. Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells…

> I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells you when and where you were close to someone who was last tested positive. So everyone does it the same way, recording location.

Not sure about Germany, but in France the app doesn't track location. It tracks nearby devices (with Bluetooth, rotating identifiers frequently), and when one marks oneself as positive, it informs the central server of the identifiers used in the last X days, which then other apps checks against their list of known identifiers that were close.

So there is no recording of location.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by bnt »

robswc wrote: post #16
bnt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t grant access on iOS “to view / edit / delete all/any data”, that’s physically not possible, even with the hidden SDKs that only select parties have access to.

Are you talking about secret government back door stuff? Not into phones but that sounds interesting, lol

I’m not aware of any government back door access, but carriers that I worked with had access to all sorts of crazy hidden SDKs within iOS. For transparency, last time I worked on those was 5-6 years ago, so things may have changed.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by truemotive »

AnonCoward42 wrote: post #78

Permissions from Aurora Store (3rd party to Play Store): Hayya: - control vibration - have full network access - prevent phone from sleeping - run at startup - run foreground service - view Wi-Fi connections - view network connections - access sensor data at a high sampling rate - access approximate location only in the foreground - access precise location only the foreground - listen to C2DM messages Etheraz: - acce…

“access sensor data at a high sampling rate“

If that isn’t some terminator shit right there, I don’t know what is.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by syntheticcorp »

boyter wrote: post #55
rwmj wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely a thing. I believe ESTA now asks for all social media user names (not passwords, but I suppose the US government doesn't need those), and it is definitely a requirement for getting a US visa.

They ask but it’s not a requirement to fill it in.

Yes it is still optional. I travelled on an ESTA a few months ago , left the social media handles section blank, and they made no comment at the border. That said it is still very capricious.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by tluyben2 »

worstestes wrote: post #80
lisper wrote: post #64

This is the reason that when I travel I carry two phones. One is the phone I actually use, and the other is the one I give to authorities when they ask for my phone. It is astonishing to me that not once have I ever been asked if I have a second phone. (It will be an interesting experiment to see if that happens now that I have posted this here.)

Where do authorities ask for your phone? Just curious

On border patrol shows, I have seen it in US, AU and UK. Usually to identify if people come there for work without a work permit.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by tromp »

zetaposter wrote: post #33

- Sir, you have to install this application, it's available on both iOS and the Google Play Store. - Do you have a Debian package? - I beg your pardon? - My Pinephone runs a modified version of Debian, the Universal Operating System. - ... What is that? - Oh fine. I'll settle for a Flatpack then. - I'm not sure I follow. -Does Qatar's Law require me to have an Android phone xor an iPhone? - No ... ? - Well your Law s…

As the article points out, you do have the option of traveling without a smartphone...

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by nottorp »

sofixa wrote: post #173
nottorp wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing they used some framework and the libraries they used ask for a broad set of permissions because they offer access to their functions. But they're not necessarily used. Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells…

> I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells you when and where you were close to someone who was last tested positive. So everyone does it the same way, recording location. Not sure about Germany, but in France the app doesn't track location. It tracks nearby devices (with Bluetooth, rotating identifiers frequently), and when one marks oneself as positive, it informs the central server of the ident…

My friend was definitely told where he was on the last contact. Doesn't mean his location left the phone though.

[He didn't get Covid this time, but off topic for this discussion.]

Edit: or maybe it's on topic because the location was at some amusement park outdoors. Since he knew where and it was relatively safe, he didn't have to worry much about the test results...

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by sofixa »

polotics wrote: post #90

Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks, why don't they organise a football world cup instead? Less corruption money must mean more leftover for the players and staff involved. Also instead of some nebulous process for the host country selection, get game owners to vote, they're already very securely identified. The time to ride on the complete stink the air conditioned slave-labour…

> Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks

It wasn't righteous, it was over money (FIFA asking for too much).

> why don't they organise a football world cup instead

Because FIFA is the organising body of football, all regional (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.) and country Football Associations are under FIFA's jurisdiction (and are members of FIFA). Countries couldn't participate in a rival event even if they wanted to, because many of the smaller association basically only exist on FIFA subsidies, and of course there are exclusivity deals. And i doubt many countries and players would prefer the glory of the "EA Cup". The World Cup has never been about money, and the prize pool is already significant.

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