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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by quetzthecoatl »

themitigating wrote: post #46
greendude29 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's okay when we commit the same immoral acts that authoritarians commit because we're a democracy" American democracy commits heinous crimes across the world. Being a democracy doesn't absolve them of the moral degeneracy.

He's right about the whataboutism though.

he is right, but raising whataboutism isn't an argument. It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations. Otherwise, it's a race to make the accusations and the first one wins - everyone else is whataboutism. You can easily see who came up with the inane whatboutism - the one who did a whole lot of crimes in the past, and wants to judge others now for similar crimes.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by beAbU »

rwmj wrote: post #45
incompatible wrote: post #25

Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

When I went to China I got a phone to run WeChat, which I erased and reinstalled once I got back. Android phones are cheap now, you can get something which is quite decent for a couple hundred dollars.

Cut that by a factor of 10. If you need do be connected, but don't care about things like cameras or gaming specks, then I can get you an android phone for the equivalent of about $30.

This is cheap enough to throw in the trash as you board for your flight home.

Connectivity is a slightly larger problem. In some places you can get a prepaid SIM card for less than a dollar, other places need some form of registration. Really depends on the country and local laws.

It's probably possible to go SIM-less and just hop between open hotspots.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by lisper »

This is the reason that when I travel I carry two phones. One is the phone I actually use, and the other is the one I give to authorities when they ask for my phone. It is astonishing to me that not once have I ever been asked if I have a second phone.

(It will be an interesting experiment to see if that happens now that I have posted this here.)

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by tsimionescu »

boyter wrote: post #55
rwmj wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely a thing. I believe ESTA now asks for all social media user names (not passwords, but I suppose the US government doesn't need those), and it is definitely a requirement for getting a US visa.

They ask but it’s not a requirement to fill it in.

Remember that entry into the USA for a foreigner is entirely at the mercy of the border control officers. If they deem you "suspicious", they can refuse you access, and you don't really have any appeal.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by happymellon »

josephcsible wrote: post #24
TekMol wrote: post #19

Is it still not possible to allow an app read/write access to only a single directory on Android? Ony all directories or none? From a quick check on my Android, that seems to be the case. How archaic. Why is it this way?

It is possible, with Scoped Storage. The problem is that apps know when they've been denied permissions, so it will indicate that, and then you'll be either refused entry or thrown in jail.

Wasn't that a feature of Lineage?

It never "denied" access, it just claimed that it didn't exist, or there was a fault so apps never actually knew they were blocked.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by dillondoyle »

DeathArrow wrote: post #30
fabian2k wrote: post #20

The permissions mentioned sound like someone that doesn't understand the permissions systems used by Android and iPhone tried to translate them. So this part of the article is almost useless as it is hard to figure out what permissions the app actually has. I don't understand the Android permissions system well enough here, but I would be especially curious about which API version this is targeting as I don't know ho…

"And in a country where e.g. homosexuality is illegal this kind of stuff presents additional dangers beyond compromising your privacy." What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? You are in danger in any country if you entry it with the intent of breaking the laws.

laws that make simply existing illegal are dangerous by definition.

not to mention greater dangers to society

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by colordrops »

fy20 wrote: post #15

This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

Does being similar excuse it somehow? Behavior by customs at the US border is abhorrent as well.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by thread_id »

In general, when travelling internationally, it is just easier to leave your phone at home and buy a cheap phone with a prepaid plan when you get to country. This avoids all of the potential intrusions that come with passing through security and borders.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by lkramer »

boyter wrote: post #55
rwmj wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely a thing. I believe ESTA now asks for all social media user names (not passwords, but I suppose the US government doesn't need those), and it is definitely a requirement for getting a US visa.

They ask but it’s not a requirement to fill it in.

The made it mandatory in 2020: https://estatousa.com/esta-social-media-question/
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