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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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With the high churn of devices and increasing privacy intrusion, there's probably a small market for burner phones that will re-emerge just for apps in the next years.

Even using a burner phone doesn't fix the situation if you're still required to have the said phone with you all the time and it can't be turned off, it tracks your location, other phones you meet with etc.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

> This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media.

I’ve never encountered this when crossing a border and don’t even know how I would sensibly answer any of this. I don’t use social media and don’t travel with a smart phone. So what now? Would they make me buy one in the airport and sign up for Facebook there?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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The permissions mentioned sound like someone that doesn't understand the permissions systems used by Android and iPhone tried to translate them. So this part of the article is almost useless as it is hard to figure out what permissions the app actually has. I don't understand the Android permissions system well enough here, but I would be especially curious about which API version this is targeting as I don't know ho…

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My point was that in countries that make private, consensual activities against the law there are much more severe consequences possible for events that compromise your privacy.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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There is no way to answer your trolling without a significant amount of sarcasm. Good day to you.

The US is a flawed democracy[0].

You're acting like the US invented democracy and is a champion of freedom and acceptance which is confidently wrong. Try growing up as a gay kid in the bible belt. It won't be so different from doing so in Qatar.

0.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

When I went to China I got a phone to run WeChat, which I erased and reinstalled once I got back. Android phones are cheap now, you can get something which is quite decent for a couple hundred dollars.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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> The only difference here is that they were able to build an app to do all the tracking in plain sight. I'm sure governments in the US and Europe would love to be able to force all visitors to install a similar app. Yet, we do not because unlike in Qatar, the UAE and other religious dictatorships, we are a democracy and we have the ability to change our government. You can do better than whatbouatism.

"It's okay when we commit the same immoral acts that authoritarians commit because we're a democracy" American democracy commits heinous crimes across the world. Being a democracy doesn't absolve them of the moral degeneracy.

He's right about the whataboutism though.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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post #41
post #12

With the high churn of devices and increasing privacy intrusion, there's probably a small market for burner phones that will re-emerge just for apps in the next years.

Even using a burner phone doesn't fix the situation if you're still required to have the said phone with you all the time and it can't be turned off, it tracks your location, other phones you meet with etc.

Linked to your ticket too!

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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post #15

This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

> This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. I’ve never encountered this when crossing a border and don’t even know how I would sensibly answer any of this. I don’t use social media and don’t travel with a smart phone. So what now? Would they make me buy one in the airport and sign up for…

It's definitely a thing. I believe ESTA now asks for all social media user names (not passwords, but I suppose the US government doesn't need those), and it is definitely a requirement for getting a US visa.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's okay when we commit the same immoral acts that authoritarians commit because we're a democracy" American democracy commits heinous crimes across the world. Being a democracy doesn't absolve them of the moral degeneracy.

He's right about the whataboutism though.

Right on

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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There is no way to answer your trolling without a significant amount of sarcasm. Good day to you.

The US is a flawed democracy[0]. You're acting like the US invented democracy and is a champion of freedom and acceptance which is confidently wrong. Try growing up as a gay kid in the bible belt. It won't be so different from doing so in Qatar. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

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