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Economic mobility studies are interesting, but there's a fundamental issue with the way all of them look at things: they're measuring relative success, not absolute. Of course it's easier to move between deciles if the distribution of income is flat, but the net result of the movement also has less actual impact. It's also zero-sum: everyone moving up from the bottom decile has to be replaced by someone! Overall qual…
Measured by what metric, mean, median income? Work/life balance? Quality of life is such a broad and nebulous term, any two measurements can come to completely different results so it is largely useless.
Why Is Europe More Equal Than the United States?
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Re: Why Is Europe More Equal Than the United States?
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Ǹo, RACISM is not the answer to this question, nor to many other questions. What RACISM there is in the US is found in Europe as well, there is plenty of antisemitism in the USA (up to and including in the highest levels of the administration) so even in that respect the difference is marginal at best. The demand for RACISM far outstrips the supply of it which is made visible by the multitude of fake RACISM cries by…
Why is the United States so unique in having a health care system that
- costs more money than anywhere else - deliver worse outcome than many countries - cover less people
Seems to me than in such a situation, the reational response is "well maybe let's change the status quo?"
Re: Why Is Europe More Equal Than the United States?
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately you don't need a citation or evidence to cry racism. A simple accusation is sufficient these days apparently...
Thanks for asking for evidence, you can start here. History of racism in the United States of America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States There are plenty of good books. You can start with the writings from Martin Luther King. He wrote ton of words in his life, not only the epic misleading "judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character" https://crossculturalsolidar…
He also said "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." and "Be The Peace You Wish To See In The World!" and "I am convinced that men hate each other because they fear each other. They fear each other because they don’t know each other, and they don’t know each other because they don’t communicate with each other, and they don’t communicate with each other because they are separated from each other"
The race debate (You're either with us or against us!) as it stands in the USA today would have MLK rolling in his grave.
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#74Is there any industrialized, developed nation that is worse than the U.S.A. in this regard? I heard bad things about the U.K. as well. I turns out that having next to no social security, no accessible education for the poor and the bizarre legality of “legacy scholarships” has a certain effect. How is it possible, I ask, that U.S.A. universities openly and notoriously give favorable treatment to the children of past…
If you're referring to George W. getting admitted to Yale, it's a private institution. They can do basically whatever they want.
Yale cannot do "basically whatever they want". For example, they accept students who receive federal financial assistance so must follow Title IX requirements. The government could use the same power of the purse to reduce legacy admissions.
Since you mentioned Bush and Yale. He graduated in 1968. Yale didn't accept women until 1969. Title IX was enacted in 1972. In 1980, Alexander v. Yale was the first use of Title IX in charges of sexual harassment against an educational institution, and established that sexual harassment of a student could be considered illegal sex discrimination.
In any case, some public schools use legacy admissions - it's not a private-college-only thing.
Re: Why Is Europe More Equal Than the United States?
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for asking for evidence, you can start here. History of racism in the United States of America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States There are plenty of good books. You can start with the writings from Martin Luther King. He wrote ton of words in his life, not only the epic misleading "judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character" https://crossculturalsolidar…
Why is "judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character" misleading? It sounds pretty clear to me. He also said "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." and "Be The Peace You Wish To See In The World!" and "I am convinced that men hate each other because they fear each other. They fear each other because they don’t kn…
It's 100% clear in the sense that it's the one quote that people who don't want to hear about racism love. And isn't it perfect that it comes from the most admired anti-racist in US history? It's perfect for that and that's why it's super widespread.
It's also a complete travesty of Martin Luther King's thoughts to laser focus on this one quote.
Martin Luther King was describing an ideal society in the far future that looks nothing like our messy present.
Do you think Martin Luther King purpose in life is fairly summarized by "Hey we have talked too much about racism already" ?
Why then did he bother to be so hated, to go in prison, march so many miles, ...?
If that makes no sense it's because it does.
Here is another Martin Luther King's quote
> Our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race. Even before there were large numbers of Negroes on our shores, the scar of racial hatred had already disfigured colonial society. From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles over racial supremacy. We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade. Indeed, even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or to feel remorse for this shameful episode. Our literature, our films, our drama, our folklore all exalt it
https://nativenewsonline.net/opinion/dr-martin-luther-king-j...
Re: Why Is Europe More Equal Than the United States?
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aren't Asian Americans the population with the highest median household income?
The "model minority" myth is not an argument against the existence of racism. It's a divide-and-conquer strategy used by racists to fend off the critics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_minority
Plus the Asian Americans grouping actually consists of dozen of different origins, so viewing them as just one model minority is quite deceiving when we're actually talking about a very diverse group.
And perhaps it's not an argument against racism, but I don't see why it's not an argument against your claim that racism is the root cause of inequality when you have multiple racial groups achieving financial success.
And aren't non-hispanic whites becoming a minority fairly soon anyway?
And just to clarify, I'm believe racism exists and is a problem, but I'm not sure that's the main cause of inequality.
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#77Is there any industrialized, developed nation that is worse than the U.S.A. in this regard? I heard bad things about the U.K. as well. I turns out that having next to no social security, no accessible education for the poor and the bizarre legality of “legacy scholarships” has a certain effect. How is it possible, I ask, that U.S.A. universities openly and notoriously give favorable treatment to the children of past…
> How is it possible, I ask, that U.S.A. universities openly and notoriously give favorable treatment to the children of past alumni without this being shut down by the lawmaker or the courts? Private institutions can do as they see fit. Public universities not so much. So yes, Harvard alumni will have favorable treatment for their kids. SUNY Buffalo, not so much.
As far as I know, there is no such thing as a “private university” where I live. All educational facilities receive funding from the government, and are beholden to it's standards and rules.
Even apart from that, a private company cannot legally here hire people because their parents worked there first. – That is illegal employment discrimination.
It very often seems legal to do in the U.S.A. what is illegal discrimination almost everywhere else. Except of course when it concerns their almighty “protected classes”, because then it suddenly matters, though it's of course woefully ineffective, a system where one can be fired for any reason including no reason, but not for, say, skin color. It makes it very easy to find another reason, or just no reason.
If I were to be terminated, they have to give me the reason and be transparent with the books so that I can easily show in court that though they claimed I was fired for performance, others who performed worse, were strangely not. — Such is how matters are done in normal, civilized, industrialized countries.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Outcome should still be proportional to effort and skill however. There are many top-heavy systems where the top benefits far more than the middle even though the middle is close to as good. Consider sporting events where the second place receives 1/3 of the price of the winner, even if it was a very close finals. Yes, the winner played better, but not to the extent of warranting double the earnings.
> Outcome should still be proportional to effort and skill however. It seems to me that this is an unsolvable or at least a very hard problem. Ask 10 people about what they think the correct and fair compensation is and you’ll get 10 opinions. It is difficult to quantify effort and skill. If a very talented person produces better results - with less effort - than someone less talented but very hard working, who gets…
Compare this with the word chess championship, where it is often split 60-40%, or the found is often bound to performance differences. A victory by a sweep incurs a larger percentage for the winner.
Re: Why Is Europe More Equal Than the United States?
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is "judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character" misleading? It sounds pretty clear to me. He also said "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." and "Be The Peace You Wish To See In The World!" and "I am convinced that men hate each other because they fear each other. They fear each other because they don’t kn…
> Why is "judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character" misleading? It sounds pretty clear to me. It's 100% clear in the sense that it's the one quote that people who don't want to hear about racism love. And isn't it perfect that it comes from the most admired anti-racist in US history? It's perfect for that and that's why it's super widespread. It's also a complete travesty of Martin…
I didn't laser focus on this one quote, my previous reply includes several other quotes of his. Perhaps it is a complete travesty of his thoughts to ignore something he said in what is his most famous speech?
> Martin Luther King was describing an ideal society in the far future that looks nothing like our messy present.
Indeed, a future where his children "will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." But as I said in my previous reply, the race debate as it stands in our "messy present" does the opposite of this.
> Do you think Martin Luther King purpose in life is fairly summarized by "Hey we have talked too much about racism already" ?
Where did I say that? I'm talking to you about racism now.
> "even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or to feel remorse for this shameful episode"
Unfortunately MLK didn't live to see Obama become president, Michael Jordan dominate the NBA, or Lizzo playing James Madison's crystal flute.
Another MLK quote from his book "Why We Can't Wait":
> "Lamentably, it is a historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals."
Note he says nothing about race here. This quote has more to do with "pretax and posttax income inequality" than race does. Reducing inequality to racism is naive at best.
Re: Why Is Europe More Equal Than the United States?
#80> After accounting for indirect taxes and in-kind transfers, the US redistributes a greater share of national income to low-income groups than any European country. "Predistribution," not "redistribution," explains why Europe is less unequal than the United States. But that's good, right?... Economists tend to say that if you want to solve a social problem, the least disruptive way of doing it is just giving them mon…
It's an ever going band-aid, so no.