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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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I said nothing about slavery, what are you talking about?

Did I say it was you? I said "another commenter". If I wanted to say it was you, I would have said it was you.

you lumped me in with them, implying an attitude I don't have.

And before you try to claim otherwise, don't bother. The English language has implicature.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/implicature/

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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India works on a caste system, said caste system being very discriminatory. What the other poster meant is that you'll end up hiring out of the upper castes and they'll display a lot of bias towards other castes. It's to the point that many from India won't admit to the caste they're in.

I mean, legally they are not in a caste, right? Does the Indian state recognize caste?

Yes Indian state recognizes all castes. That is the core problem. For the system to be dismantled you need the Indian state to stop recognizing castes and implement US style Affirmative Action and only provide Reservation opportunities to those from low income groups.

But the first ones to fight against this reform would be the "lower caste" strata of the population. Who would give up freebies, Government jobs as well as an education in Prestigious Universities where you can guaranteed to get it based on your birth caste and not on merit? No one would. If I am born in any of the "lower caste" groups I can easily get a Government job, free/subsidized education in any Prestigious University irrespective of my scores/performance. Now there is talk of reservation/quotas in land distribution as well (comments by a politician in a recent speech to his base). Idea is that if you want to purchase land some section of the land is reserved if you belong to a particular caste (and will probably be available for lower than market rate as well). However ridiculous it might sound.

Affirmative Action in US doesn't have a quota system or reservation. It instead focuses on equal opportunity (no denial of opportunity to anyone based on their race/creed/color/sex/religion etc). This is different from India's Caste based reservation system where you are guaranteed of a job/education if you belong to lower caste. Doesn't matter if you are merited or not. Doesn't matter if you are rich or not. Even seats in the Parliament of India have reservations/quotas for lower castes.

It is ridiculous to talk about dismantling caste system while in the same breath prop up structures that actively promotes this same caste system on the Government level. And the Politicians do not want to dismantle said system because it helps with their vote bank.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Pronunciation and orthography vary in many cases, not simple at all. Unless you already come from a germanic language, then it's relatively easy.

Coming from another Germanic language helps you deal with pronunciation and orthography varying in English? What's the relationship?

You can just speak it in your native way and you will mostly be understood. But the "relatively easy" was to the language as a whole.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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> They also lied shamelessly about their qualifications which led to absurd situations. This I have experience with. The word absurd is not an exaggeration, it might not even be enough to describe it. >They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. I dont understand this sentence. Does Ghosted here mean something different to ghosting in hiring?

I assume they didn't answer questions or requests from women, or otherwise silently refused to directly work with them.

Sigh. I would have thought people who worked in Tech would be open minded ( and sometimes too open minded ).

My next question would be if they are doing this to Indian woman or every woman?

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

#325

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I see your point, and I apologize for not being as clear as I could have been. I do still think that "this could make a poor, hardworking Asian kid not get a college position because of a rich Black kid" is a very bad criticism; it conflates some very emotionally resonant topics in a way that isn't justifiable. I also think that this conflation was done for ideological reasons. I do want to respond to this, though: >…

> a rich black American kid" implies, at least to me, that our hypothetical Asian student isn't American blink

Well, why call that out in a hypothetical if it's not a difference? If GP had called out the hypothetical Asian student's height or weight or video game preference but not the hypothetical black student's, I would have assumed that was significantly different as well.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Did I say it was you? I said "another commenter". If I wanted to say it was you, I would have said it was you.

you lumped me in with them, implying an attitude I don't have. And before you try to claim otherwise, don't bother. The English language has implicature. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/implicature/

I lumped you in with propagandists. Some spread propaganda of there being "systemic slavery" while others say "What the other poster meant is that you'll end up hiring out of the upper castes and they'll display a lot of bias towards other castes".

Both are not borne out of facts but malicious propaganda.

"It's to the point that many from India won't admit to the caste they're in."

You are implying this in a negative manner. The reason people don't talk about caste is because we have progressed a lot in the past century. No one gives a damn about caste in their day-to-day life. It only props up in political rallies where talking about caste based discrimination is a precursor to lay the stage for either increased reservation or introducing new reservation in the already prevalent discriminatory quota system that exists in India (which should have been done away with in 10 years after our Independence as envisaged by Ambedkar himself but nevertheless continues to exist 70+ years after Independence corroding our society further).

> And before you try to claim otherwise, don't bother

I don't have to. You are a propagandist. I stand by that.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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As an Indian woman that studied and worked for a bit in India, this is not surprising at all. When prepping for job placements in my University, we would sometimes practice answers to questions around why they should hire a woman who might just get married and leave the company for her kids. I remember the recruiter for a multinational company asking me this very question and 22-year old me desperately trying to conv…

From wired " So unless nature is working contrarily in South Asia, something about the culture of the Indian educational system and tech industry is more hospitable to women than the American one".

Seems directly opposite to what you state. That too 8 years ago. Too many fakes stories been peddled here.

https://www.wired.com/2014/08/silicon-valley-sexism/

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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I was a consultant for an American company that also hired dozens of cheap consultants from development countries. Mostly India but also neighbouring countries and some Eastern European countries. Indians were by far the hardest to work with. They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. They also lied shamelessly about their qualifications which led to absurd situations. The proble…

Many years ago I worked at big dumb banks. There was a lot of top down forced offshoring with ultimatums like - hey you can have +4 headcount in Mumbai or +0 in NY. Further, we found we had to spend $10Ks at a time to send NY/London staff over there monthly to figure out wtf was going on. These offshoring firms were running some serious scams. We once had a guy come back (mid 2000s) and say that his 5 devs in Hyderab…

> With the turnover of good staff, the only way to keep the better ones was to get the visas sorted to nearshore them in US

> largely defeating the purpose of the cost saving.

agree on most part including that onshore billing is obvious more than offshore but still for client it's saving as oppose to hiring FTE. Often client also want good resource to stick so they allow them to move to onsite. In my case, we informed client after my H1B was stamped, that I have to move to States either in this project or other project, client approved in 2-3 hours. For the another resource, client took 4-5 months to decide and then replied that we don't have budget for onshore billing.

So in case of good resource, it's often win-win for everyone involved.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

Pushing for more women/minorities in STEM/leadership positions = you're fixing the global problem, doing the opposite = you're making the global problem worse.

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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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My company quickly realized that outsourcing to an offshore Indian company was a mistake. We tried giving them new projects, but it was useless. We still use them, but only for very simple support work. My project was outsourced to them for support. The transition of our mature project to them took about a year. They wanted to replace our 10-12 person team with about 19 of their people. They also needed some of the p…

When I worked with a large team for 2 years, including going over to run a week long training program .. I found just a general disinclination for efficiency, automation or time saving... which cynically wouldn't surprise you when you consider they are running a quantity/body shop. The craziest conversation I had was trying to convince a guy who came in every morning and ran a script that he could put it on a timer/s…

Devils advocate: would he get paid any more to be more efficient? Or would he just get more work?
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