Male variability hypothesis confirmed once again.
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Nice one: no arguments, just imply bigotry. What's wrong with the idea that the performance of men has a larger variation?
SAT score distributions in Michigan
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#182cant stand the angles here - try this one
American scored 1540 SAT while smoking marijuana at 17 years old; refused to do the repetitive, command-and-control lessons of public school and dropped out; threw middle finger at prestige universities with their publicity, worked at a nightclub in a bad part of town, sought out emerging artists and built art shows and music events
SAT Scores are competition, not pure intelligence.. tons of competitive ego comments with racial implications here .. Extreme intelligence is a wild ride and not predictable.. some sort of "mental health" problems are common right alongside the ability
current USA culture is drowning in toxic social problems around sex and family .. no children means no more of your race.. race people stand up and say "we are winning" .. more toxic side effects are inevitable..
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#183The SATs, particularly the mathematics score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. The stratification is more granular than Asian versus Black or White versus Native America. For example, Jewish students excel beyond the Caucasian average while Cambodian and other Southeast Asian Immigrants perform significantly below the national average for Asian Americans. The challenge…
SAT math is geometry,a 10th grade class for average students. Scoring below 700 isn't due to lack of "push" it's lack of some combination of intelligence, nurture, health, teaching. Due to the cost and complexity of transcontinental migration, most Asians in US now, and Jews last generation, come from elites from their previous family homeland who successfully migrated to escape bad government or seeking greater oppo…
It's not clear if you're trying to contest with the parent or agree with him, but you are doing the latter.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
He applied for Computer Science, so I looked at the University of Michigan's Engineering School SAT scores, and he was just a bit over the median score for the engineering school. Since admissions at these schools is slammed with applications its not unreasonable that he just didn't get in because he was in an ocean of similar applications.
Would it not be fair to look at the median score for different racial groups, since we know that many universities do in fact discriminate on the basis of race in admissions?
In Michigan publicly funded institutions are no longer allowed to use race as a factor.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Seems like it could be within a margin of error (3 v 5%). There is no margin of error when your sample is the entire population.
There is if you are missing more than 10% and trying to make extrapolations. Also, there is variations between individuals between tests. You’d need to make multiple samples to reduce noise from the test itself.
So if you're worried about it, do the math. My napkin calc puts the margin at around +-0.3, enough to easily separate 3% from 5%.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The SATs, particularly the mathematics score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. Is there any way to prove/disprove this? Also doesn’t this also beg the question as to why non-Asian parents apparently won’t teach their kids to be good academics?
Yes there is a way, you put kids in test prep and see if they do better. They generally do not improve much. The SAT is an IQ test, and IQ is mostly inherited from your parents.
Using that logic, everything is an IQ test :-)
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#187has the SAT gotten way easier on recent decades or have students just gotten that much smarter or better at taking it, and universities gotten a lot stricter about accepting students with lower scores? one of the commenters in the linked article mentions that their son, with an SAT score of over 1500, was rejected by a number of normal state universities such as the University of Texas at Austin (a great school but n…
I don't have a good answer to your question here are some results from a quick google search:
https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-over-time
I think a sometimes-easy-to-overlook factor is that many state flagship institutions like UT-Austin have a strong bias or preference for in-state applicants. Famously, I remember being told that out-of-state applicants to my state's big, somewhat well-known, public university needed better credentials than highly selective private institutions required/recommended . . .
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, that's what we do when translating accomplishments to ability
Perhaps, but more germane here: it’s also being used by you to discredit real accomplishments with hypothetical ones. I’m not discounting that you could be right, just that you could be right in a totally contrived scenario.
You're assuming your point by calling them "real accomplishments". But that's the whole debate. Is being an Eagle Scout a "real accomplishment" or is it a participation award? And if it's a participation award did the kid get it through his own initiative or because he was forced by his parents? The answer to that question is the whole debate.
And this is not a "totally contrived" scenario. The guy is posting his kid's resume on some blog post about SAT scores in another state. That's very strong evidence as to his involvement and importance he placed on college admissions.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would the end state of the latter part of look like? Taking kids away from their families at birth and raising them in state not-quite-orphanages? Even the concept that academics should be valued over other topics should be a matter of family choice. If you want to prioritize music, art, sports, food, entertainment, fitness, religion, or something else over academics, should society over-ride that?
I believe the model you're talking about is a Kibbutz, though I don't think they were state run.
If it's not state-run (or otherwise mandated), I think you'll still see significantly unequal access to friends (and family members) of different attitudes and aptitudes.
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#190The SATs, particularly the mathematics score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. The stratification is more granular than Asian versus Black or White versus Native America. For example, Jewish students excel beyond the Caucasian average while Cambodian and other Southeast Asian Immigrants perform significantly below the national average for Asian Americans. The challenge…
The only way I could see your plan of offering identical schooling opportunities for everyone is boarding school, ie taking kids away from their parents. How are you going to stop/force a parent from helping their kid with homework?