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The SATs also allow for children with non parental involvement but talent to excel because it's a simple process: take a test
Exactly. You can’t hide a high IQ, even though parental and societal involvement will always act as a multiplier on what a kid can naturally do.
I think I'm mostly surprised to see how many of the "White" scores are so low, and so far behind "Asians," after years of hearing that the test is biased towards white / Anglo / native-English speakers raised in Western culture. I'm also reminded that I (like probably most people commenting on Hacker News) exist in a really small bubble in which everyone I closely associate with was in the top two bands (after going…
I was surprised that Asians only make up 4.6% of the total students, where Whites are nearly 69%. I'm not sure that we can make too many observations about Asians when the sample is so low. Might be interesting to see how those demographics compare in CA where Asians are 16.91% of the population. ( https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/asian-popul... )
I think I'm mostly surprised to see how many of the "White" scores are so low, and so far behind "Asians," after years of hearing that the test is biased towards white / Anglo / native-English speakers raised in Western culture. I'm also reminded that I (like probably most people commenting on Hacker News) exist in a really small bubble in which everyone I closely associate with was in the top two bands (after going…
I was surprised that Asians only make up 4.6% of the total students, where Whites are nearly 69%. I'm not sure that we can make too many observations about Asians when the sample is so low. Might be interesting to see how those demographics compare in CA where Asians are 16.91% of the population. ( https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/asian-popul... )
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I dont buy this argument for a second. You can buy a used sat prep book for cheap or even borrow one from a library. Practice twice a week leading up to the test with practice tests once every two weeks. taking a prep course will help, but thats not necessary at all.
Practicing won't teach you language and math.
one of the commenters in the linked article mentions that their son, with an SAT score of over 1500, was rejected by a number of normal state universities such as the University of Texas at Austin (a great school but not like an ivy league exclusive school)
in 1995 I went to university of Texas, they had a policy of automatically accepting anyone with a score over 1200 without any additional requirements. many of my peers were accepted with far lower scores. Now, according to collegesomply.com, the average SAT score for students at University of Texas is 1350
I haven't really been following the evolution of this test, but have scores risen dramatically over the last could decades, and why?
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You’re an outlier. That’s great. Most people are not scoring that high without a lot of effort, and a basic public school education, regardless of the quality, is not going to get them there. They will need additional resources within the home and outside of normal schooling.
None of my friends scored below 1400 and none had tutors. All public school.
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The SATs also allow for children with non parental involvement but talent to excel because it's a simple process: take a test
Exactly. You can’t hide a high IQ, even though parental and societal involvement will always act as a multiplier on what a kid can naturally do.
Therein lies the rub, the controversy mostly comes from people who reject the very premise of IQ.
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Yes there is a way, you put kids in test prep and see if they do better. They generally do not improve much. The SAT is an IQ test, and IQ is mostly inherited from your parents.
> The SAT is an IQ test In that case I weep for the future, because I’ve met plenty of dumbass people who managed to get a high enough SAT score to get in school.
(I'm not talking about you).
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> The SATs, particularly the mathematics score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. Is there any way to prove/disprove this? Also doesn’t this also beg the question as to why non-Asian parents apparently won’t teach their kids to be good academics?
Yes there is a way, you put kids in test prep and see if they do better. They generally do not improve much. The SAT is an IQ test, and IQ is mostly inherited from your parents.