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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by distances »

flavius29663 wrote: post #298
_trackno5 wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually have data on that though? I see that kind of argument get thrown around but it is never substantiated. How will usbc lead to less waste? If you wanna make that argument, wouldn’t it be better to force companies to opt you out of getting chargers and cables unless you explicitly ask for them when you make the purchase?

> If you wanna make that argument, wouldn’t it be better to force companies to opt you out of getting chargers and cables unless you explicitly ask for them when you make the purchase? That is a natural step forward after the cables are unified. Even today, 80% of the electronic devices I'm buying are coming without a charger and this is all due to the fact that the market stabilized to USB charging (mini and now USB…

I still have a small sack of those old chargers. Can't put them in the generic waste, nobody would buy them, and I've been too lazy to take them to the electronic waste recycling.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by dzhiurgis »

emaro wrote: post #218

I agree with the overall tone in the comments here: yay in general, but what a shame a law needs to specify a specific port for ~iPhones~ devices. I really like USB-C. It's sooo convenient to charge my notebook, my headphones, my phone, my everything with the same cable. However what bothers me since someone pointed it out to me: for phones, which are used all day in all kind of situations, lightning has a big andvan…

Wireless charging is always secondary option after or before the physical port wears out.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by schmuelio »

dogleash wrote: post #352
reaperducer wrote: post #340

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All the handwringing about stifling innovation is on its face ridiculous as mandates to use micro-usb didn't stop android phones from adopting the new and better standard as soon as it was viable. I'm not sure I understand your logic here. Android phones were able to quickly move to micro USB because they weren't restricted from doing so by a government regulation. If there was a government mandate requiring phones t…

> If there was a government mandate requiring phones to have whatever connector came before micro USB, wouldn't that have prevented the Android phones from changing connectors/choosing the new innovation? Dunno, we have a test case tho: how'd the Micro-B to USB-C transition go in EU markets?

Happened a while ago, you have to go out of your way to find (new) android phones with Micro-B.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by webmobdev »

ramphastidae wrote: post #186
webmobdev wrote: post #70

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> Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me. It's because consumers have rights too. Standardising something actually fosters competition (healthy capitalism), increases profit (as standardising something often leads to lower manufacturing costs) while reducing costs for consumers (due to increased competition). It also reduces waste which is good for the environment. > I don't…

What exactly is your USB-C cable example meant to illustrate? You were successfully able to buy a cheaper cable without any laws being passed. Seems like things are working fine as-is.

I benefited only because I bought a USB-C iDevice. Apple introduced USB-C support in some of its devices not because they wanted to but only because they realised that regulation would force them to in the future. Now that the regulation is in effect, Apple will be forced to drop support for its proprietary lightening cable and switch to supporting USB-C standards for all its devices. That's a huge win for consumers and the industry too.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by kaba0 »

kypro wrote: post #34

I like USB-C and would even be in favour of the iPhone using USB-C, but I really dislike the idea that EU regulators would know what's better for consumers than consumer electronics companies and the consumers themselves. I do kind of get it though. It's probably better for a whole host of reasons if electronics all used the same cords, but I guess you could make that argument for a lot of things. There would be bene…

The very Adam Smith even have said that capitalism only work in well-defined markets. I don’t see how a more-or-less democratically elected entity would have a negative effect on competition by upholding some consumer-centric rules.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by pwpw »

necovek wrote: post #313
mdrzn wrote: post #33

LET'S GO EU! These headlines make me proud. Let's reach a global standard for charging stuff. I wish everything that had to be charged sometimes had a USB-C plug. But also I hope that the USB standard gets less messy in the future.

I am hoping for my next car to be chargeable through a USB-C port too! /s I love the fact that there is a standardized port, and I can get devices of any type to charge with a single powerful charger. But connector and cables are wonky at best if you want to have a single cable for everything too (look up prices, thickness and lengths of USB-C PD 100W, alt-DP 1.4 capable, USB 3+ speeds cables, and then watch them bre…

> I am hoping for my next car to be chargeable through a USB-C port too! /s

I’m aware of your sarcasm, but it did bother me that my Tesla used a proprietary port that made it more difficult to use other charging locations, such as the charger next to my apartment. Electric vehicle charging ports need standardization as well.

Perhaps having these laws standardizing ports will set the groundwork for a more robust standard in the future. I don’t think there’s ever going to be a perfect solution since there are so many differing opinions, but I do believe this is a good start.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

coffeeblack wrote: post #240
emaro wrote: post #218

I agree with the overall tone in the comments here: yay in general, but what a shame a law needs to specify a specific port for ~iPhones~ devices. I really like USB-C. It's sooo convenient to charge my notebook, my headphones, my phone, my everything with the same cable. However what bothers me since someone pointed it out to me: for phones, which are used all day in all kind of situations, lightning has a big andvan…

Very much agree. The port design of lightning is superior, too bad that now a law mandates Apple to sell the inferior solution. But that’s what you get when laws eliminate competition.

Superior how exactly? It's not clear that its properties plus royalty costs outweigh the alternative royalty free standard.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by Zigurd »

chasd00 wrote: post #326

A law specifying a technical hardware feature on a consumer device not related to safety is ridiculous. Is there no other higher priority for the EU to work on?

Like the law regulating every power cord attached to every AC powered device ever?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by seanw444 »

saurik wrote: post #360
owisd wrote: post #250

Everyone upset about losing lightning. Apple will 'malicious compliance' this and keep the lightning port and just add a USB-C port that does charging and nothing else.

I am much more expecting them to do something like remove the port entirely and move to wireless charging only; or, for maximum humor value, make the lightning port incapable of charging the phone in Europe only, such that it isn't a charging port there and thereby isn't subject to the regulations (forcing only the people in Europe to use wireless charging).

Now that would be funny.
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