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Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by deltasevennine »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #667
deltasevennine wrote: post #611

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That wasn't the intention. Watch the video. If anything old style talking in movies sounds less intelligent and artificial.

It's pretty clear to me that modern mumbling smarmy sarcasm is the low culture, and the Shakespearian trained actors of the past are high culture. It's just like with fashion. We may pretend that hoodies and patagonia vests are just as respectable as a 20th century suit, but if we see two photos side by side we deep down know who is better dressed.

Not that far past. Did you even watch the video? I'm talking about the Mid-Atlantic accent not Shakespeare.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

Seanambers wrote: post #151
ryandrake wrote: post #136

One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

I totally agree. The sound mixes today are so far off a pleasant experience that the people who do make them should feel ashamed - How do many actually have a home cinema room with soundproofing and 20 speakers ? Most people watch movies with a headset / a TV / 2.1 / 5.1 surround system and they may even be limited by other factors like neighbours and you know real life.. And the the voice levels is obnoxiously low a…

> The sound mixes today are so far off a pleasant experience that the people who do make them should feel ashamed - How do many actually have a home cinema room with soundproofing and 20 speakers ?

Also, digital camera manufacturers should be feel ashamed for cameras providing photos that don't even fit on my monitor. My 24MP Sony camera outputs photo's at 6000x4000 pixel resolution! Who the hell has a monitor that big ? I can only see a small part of the photo at one time.

Oh way, no, that's absolutely crazy. Because maybe some people do have a monitor that high-res, or maybe they want to print it or edit it or.., or... And guess what, there is no need to have the photos be smaller to display them, you can simply use a viewer that scales them to fit on your display. There is absolutely no need to throw away that extra information and you might want it in the future.

Same goes for audio in a movie. If it doesn't fit the dynamic range suitable for your setup, then scale it to whatever you need it to be. You may not have a setup to enjoy that, but others might, and they shouldn't have to deal with sub-par mixes because other people don't know how to configure their playback equipment.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by FearNotDaniel »

azemetre wrote: post #556
distances wrote: post #521

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I have also been doing this for years already. I only watch with subtitles -- no subtitles, no movie -- but I still like the dialogue to be audible without explosions bothering my neighbours.

One of the reasons why I bought an Apple TV was the ability to pair it with my airpods. Makes is super convenient to hear everything if you live in an apartment, also some shows take advantage of the spatial audio which is neat if you don't have a proper sound setup. I still turn on subtitles tho. On that front I've been noticing some subtitles will not match the english dialogue at all. This is noticeable on the Net…

> some subtitles will not match the english dialogue at all

I have the same issues when watching shows and movies translated into German. Trying to improve my level of the language, but with both the dubbed soundtrack and the subs turned on almost every line of dialogue differs between the two. I assume it's because the subtitles generally reflect the original script very closely but the dubbed version requires more rewriting to match the sounds to the lips.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by pclmulqdq »

donclark wrote: post #645
pclmulqdq wrote: post #246

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A lot of devices do have this option, but it's buried in the menus and it isn't always the best quality.

Thank you for inspiring me to dig around. However, the only thing I found for Android was: ViPER4Android FX For Android 12 & 13 (rooted only?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOeNGy-xhxs https://www.xda-developers.com/viper4android-v2-7-new-ui-pro...

Oh, I don't think there's one for android or iOS, but most TVs have this setting.

My computer audio driver has one also.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by squarefoot »

ryandrake wrote: post #136

One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

That difference in loudness between voice and effects happens often when the stereo material is derived by a badly mixed down 5+1 material. Having control of the 6 channels levels before mixdown may help to eliminate it, otherwise some sort of compression/limiting is necessary. Many TVs have the option to set the audio output level to automatic, which doesn't mean the volume can't be changed but that around a given volume the dynamics are less extreme so that faint sounds are amplified and loud ones are attenuated.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by jessaustin »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #607
jessaustin wrote: post #601

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...fundamental rules of cinema... This is a matter of taste. Does anyone really expect to enjoy every movie? I love subtitles, but I accept that not everyone is comfortable using them.

The subject was about how it's all going to the dogs. So no, not every movie. But some movies

The wonderful thing about having old-fashioned tastes in cinema is that there are already thousands of old-fashioned films available to watch. b^)

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by Tainnor »

bowsamic wrote: post #419
Semaphor wrote: post #372

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> Actors need to go do some stage acting and learn how to e n u n c i a t e and project their voices. Watch some German shows (notably: Not Netflix’s Dark as that was untypical, I mean actually produced for the German market shows). It’s horrible. Everything sounds super fake. Yes, everything is easy to understand, but I (a German) can’t watch anything because nothing sounds real. It’s usually claimed this is because…

I live in Germany and honestly it just seems to me from speaking to Germans that they have the worst mixture of a lack of sense of quality and also an uncaring-ness/sense of futility about it. I think it is kind of like the "poor service at restaurants" thing. It is a negative point that has become accepted and almost expected by Germans, so there is literally no desire to change it, which would take a lot of effort…

I don't think anyone can reasonably dispute that Germans don't value great customer service much -

but it's ridiculous to claim that the culture that produced Goethe, Schiller and, to a large part, the Romantic era doesn't value aesthetics.

I think that most "popular" (i.e. charts-topping) German music is rather bland, but I feel the same about chart hits from other countries. Meanwhile there is some German music that is really good - though of course whether you'll like what I like will depend on your taste.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

alvah wrote: post #589
elteto wrote: post #562

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I wish I could turn subtitles on for this comment. I have no idea what you are saying.

The account you replied to replied to a comment of mine on another thread with a weird word salad. It was suggested to me that said account may be a bot...

Their profile claims:

>Perhaps you'll think my comments are unthinkable. My only response to that is that they were legibly written, not by a machine, but by a writer with a soul.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by [deleted] »

daniel-cussen wrote: post #642
moistly wrote: post #639

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I’m convinced they’re not a bot. I believe they’re either deliberately engaged in “artistically” expressing themselves, or have mental health issues of the schizophrenic variety. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/brainspotting/2022...

Yeah pretty much. Am in fact expressing myself in a very "flowery" manner, artistically. I'm elevating the HN comment to an artform. I actually was thought to be schizophrenic by doctors once upon a time. Diagnosed secretly. Then they walked back on the diagnosis. Rescinded. I still get treated for it, because you don't need to stop taking the medication for it if you don't want to. Loophole. I wouldn't say mental he…

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Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Post by brokenmachine »

IgorPartola wrote: post #249
Klonoar wrote: post #185

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There's an article that's been floating around that notes this phenomenon started after Nolan's movies became the style to emulate, and there are various sound engineers who state they would like to do what you want but they have to produce what the paying entity asks for. Someone should feel free to link it here - I'm mobile at the moment so can't dig it up. But anyway, I just wanted to jump in and say... all the ti…

Wait it isn’t because 5.1 became the norm for recording movies bust most people have a 2.0 or a 2.1 setup at most? I thought that was the conventional wisedom.

I have a good 5.1 setup at home, and the dynamic range is still way too large so I'm forever adjusting the volume.
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