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Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

I totally agree.

The sound mixes today are so far off a pleasant experience that the people who do make them should feel ashamed - How do many actually have a home cinema room with soundproofing and 20 speakers ?

Most people watch movies with a headset / a TV / 2.1 / 5.1 surround system and they may even be limited by other factors like neighbours and you know real life..

And the the voice levels is obnoxiously low and way (negatively) beyond what i would call a good experience.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

Does your TV have dynamic range normalization (may be called "sound leveling" in the menu)?

I've never seen an implementation of that that actually did what it claimed, even on a modestly high end Denon receiver it just ends up making all audio sound harsh.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Another reason that I can think of is that many people are watching content at a increased playback rate. I personally limit that to education content because for things like comedy it can mess with pacing. But I have friends that have used it while watching really long shows. It doesn't have to be much faster but if you think about a 10 hour series, that is approximately an hour saved. I recognize that this seems od…

I do that too - 1.5x seems to be the minimum I'll start with, and sometimes I'll go as high as 2.5x. Having subs definitely helps at the upper end of the range.

On the other hand, the downside is that when you interact with people in realtime, you constantly feel like they're speaking too slowly, and others have trouble understanding what feels like a normal speed of talking for you.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#155
> They’re now a must-have for plenty of people without hearing loss, too, helping them better understand the audio or allowing them to multitask.

Aha! I have some answers here. Kind of, anyway.

This is something that people older than 20-something do, too, and have done their whole lives.

They're likely to do it if they grew up with the following often being true:

1) The TV is on.

2) At least some people are actually trying to watch it (it's not just "background noise")

3) The living space is fairly compact, such that if people are making noise in common areas there are no other common areas to escape to (not with a TV, anyway).

4) Bedrooms maybe don't have a TV or they aren't equipped with the same stuff as the "good" (living room, probably) TV.

5) House chaotic, lots of people around doing various things, many of these people (adults and kids alike) talking much louder than what some of us may be used to.

6) TV often in use in this same way during large gatherings (family and friends over, holidays, whatever)

In other words—drum roll—a Fussellian "Prole" (lower class) house.

But, why is this showing up in stats now? I suspect two causes:

1) "Prole" kids growing up and getting more streaming services than their parents had, plus using them more.

2) Anime has gone very, very mainstream among "the youths", so (as some others have noted) this may be expanding the set of people for whom captions seem normal beyond the ones I'm otherwise describing here.

Source: I know people for whom having the captioning on was normal when they were growing up, and they still do it because it's what they're used to, and I was in their houses when we were kids and saw why they gained that habit/preference. They're older than their 20s.

[EDIT] Others mentioned modern video sources coming with audio mixes that suck ass on most home entertainment systems—just flat-out incompatible with the reality of how most people watch TV/movies, where they want the highs (KABOOM! BLAM, BLAM!) to be much lower than the highs in a modern movie theater, plus are very likely watching on a crappy "sound bar", if not built-in stereo speakers. That could be a 3) on my list of causes, with 2 and 3 both being things other than the main phenomenon I'm describing int he rest of the post. This one would basically be the fault of movie and TV productions themselves, who aren't serving most home viewers well with the audio mixes they're providing.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish there was a CC mode for “I’m not deaf, I just don’t catch the quiet mumbly dialog sometimes so give me captions only of the dialog.” Bonus if it’s delayed by exactly 2 seconds, so that it doesn’t spoil jokes, and I can quickly reference it if I missed something someone said (helping me avoid fixating on the captions.) Because it’s the CC descriptions of music swells and things like “[laughs] and “[crying]”, et…

There is on some shows. For those the choice is between "English" and "English [CC]" or similar; the former omits descriptions of noises. Most don't have this, probably because it's not provided by the producers. Agreed on timing issues. This also seems to vary by show/producer.

VLC lets you adjust the timing of the closed captions. It's totally possible to set a delay of 2 sec.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#157
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Tangentially: Youtube really likes to turn CC on randomly on its own, even when it's explicitly disabled. Both in the mobile app and the website.

I was looking for this comment. In the last couple of months every 3rd or so video seems to have CC switched on for no reason.

It's often even worse than that, with CC going back on during and/or after mid-roll ads.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#158

The fact that there's a claimed generational gap here speaks more to the values of the generations re: passive vs active entertainment. I could also ask: "Why do all these 60-Somethings have the TV on as background noise while doing other tasks?" To me it seems closed-caption usage is correlated with actually paying attention to television consumption. People who have their TV on at all hours, as background entertain…

I think it's not as universal as you believe. I personally use closed captioning as a crutch when I'm half-ass watching something, because if my mind wanders and I miss hearing a line I can usually just read it without having to pause and rewind.

If I'm actually fully immersed in the movie or whatever, and I can understand the dialogue, then I don't need the captions and I leave them off.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [CC] complements the audio & visual nicely. I don't have any evidence for this but I'd wager that plot synthesis and comprehension of television shows is greatly improved by CC As you say, you don't have any evidence for this, so I'll just add that my subjective impression is the absolute opposite. I find it impossible to concentrate on what is happening visually on screen in a film when closed captions are on. I a…

As non english-native speaker I watched so much stuff with captions it's second nature for me. But for any language that I understand well I only turn them on when the accent is so thick I can't get what the actors are saying. Similarly I always turn on all subtitles in video games because it's easy to miss something if say ingame explosion or other sound effect covers the voice, or it is just too silent (say NPC tal…

> But the article claim it helps multitasking seems weird - how having to look at screen would help when multitasking?

You have the audio on and are doing something else with your eyes. You don't quite hear something that's been said, glance at the screen, read the captions to fill in what was missed, return your eyes to your other task.

If it was audio only, you missed whatever it was, and have to live with it or replay a little bit of content. Going back a few seconds is often a UI challenge not worth the gained context, IMHO, but if it happens a lot, might as well not be watching anything.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#160

One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

If you have a 5.1 system, boost the center channel. That's mainly dialog.
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