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Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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I'll add one more reason -- TV shows often require you to pay attention to every word now.

Thirty years ago, if you missed a line of dialog, it wasn't usually a big deal.

Now if you're watching Westworld? If you misunderstand a single line that might be the entire difference between "solving" the episode or not.

TV has gone from a "casual" experience you can tune in and out of, to a kind of literary-precision experience that demands your undivided attention, for many shows. CC makes sure you understand every word, which just wasn't usually that important previously.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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The fact that there's a claimed generational gap here speaks more to the values of the generations re: passive vs active entertainment. I could also ask: "Why do all these 60-Somethings have the TV on as background noise while doing other tasks?" To me it seems closed-caption usage is correlated with actually paying attention to television consumption. People who have their TV on at all hours, as background entertain…

Sounds right - my parents (early 70s) don't pay attention to what they are watching even tho watching TV is the only thing they are doing at that time. They both even regularly fall asleep watching TV/movies at night and literally don't care that they missed most of the show/movie they were "watching." They aren't interested in watching the parts they slept through in the morning.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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I have also been doing this for years already. I only watch with subtitles -- no subtitles, no movie -- but I still like the dialogue to be audible without explosions bothering my neighbours.

One of the reasons why I bought an Apple TV was the ability to pair it with my airpods. Makes is super convenient to hear everything if you live in an apartment, also some shows take advantage of the spatial audio which is neat if you don't have a proper sound setup. I still turn on subtitles tho. On that front I've been noticing some subtitles will not match the english dialogue at all. This is noticeable on the Net…

Roku has that feature; you can enable remote listening via the app and pipe sound to your earphones.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#585

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The relevant phenomena are known as localization and the cocktail party effect. If you put a microphone in the middle of a cacophonous cocktail party, it would be hard to follow any given conversation by listening to just that one combined signal. But if you're actually there, your brain can hone in on any of several conversations. Having dialog in a center speaker means it comes from a different location than the mu…

> The relevant phenomena are known as localization and the cocktail party effect. If you put a microphone in the middle of a cacophonous cocktail party, it would be hard to follow any given conversation by listening to just that one combined signal. But if you're actually there, your brain can hone in on any of several conversations. That's because a human is not 1 microphone. It's 2 microphones, with a known distanc…

1. "That's because a human is not 1 microphone." true 2. "It's 2 microphones, with a known distance between the 2" 3. "which allows realtime 3d positioning and isolation of sound to an area"

#3 does not follow from statement #2.

The missing element is that 3D localization is due to the pinna.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.1967.005...

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Can you recommend a good explanation of the different types, how they are recorded encoded etc.? From a naive sonar perspective it seems like two mics one on each side of a head sized camera would do fine for encoding all the angle information. But then you would have to register and apply that knowledge to each boom mic input, and synthesize it for every sound effect that wasn't there at recording. Tl;dr Why isnt tw…

Left/right sound localization is partially a function of "shadow" created by the head. However more important to localization is the pinna, the outer ear. Sound enters the earhole directly AND reflects off the folds in the pinna. This causes complex comb filtering. (cancellation) Our brain learns how to correlate sound direction with these complex filterings. It's quite amazing. Some audio workstations (Logic) have "…

Right, that is how we do it. But isn't all the phase information present in two channels of audio to know how to map all the signals to an arbitrary number of angles? You'd need to know the spacing of the mics, but that could be a standard.

About the pinna, a fun way to demonstrate this is to have someone close their eyes, then you snap or jangle keys at various locations and have them point. Then tape their ears to their head and repeat. They will be way off in the vertical. We can do left right-ish (with coning error) without the outer ear. But up down is impossible.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#587

One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

Agreed. Background levels higher than dialog are a chronic problem. Actors turned away from the camera, so you don't get any facial cues. Yelled or hurried or mumbled lines, which don't get re-shot because, cost.

Add all that to the usual nodding actors - they don't understand what they're supposed to be feeling so they just nod as they talk. Sorry to call that out, now you will never be able to un-see it again.

And whispering as a substitute for emotion! What the hell? Character is supposed to be feeling intense emotion, so the actor whispers. The director should slap them every time, and re-shoot.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#588

One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

I know I'm in the minority here, but let me explain why it's not terrible audio mixes or bad actors. The overall trend in TV and movies has been towards greater realism in all aspects. Less stage-audience sitcoms, more single-cam. Less "look at this actor" and more "look at this real person". Actors aren't mumbling, they're speaking how real people speak. Trust me, screen actors have more stage training than ever --…

I don't watch a movie to get confused as I may in real life. The director is confused if they don't understand the fundamental rules of cinema - speak clearly and face the camera.

No matter the size of the screen, bad acting is bad.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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I wish I could turn subtitles on for this comment. I have no idea what you are saying.

The account you replied to replied to a comment of mine on another thread with a weird word salad. It was suggested to me that said account may be a bot...

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#590

One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

What kind of speakers do you have? Let me say that voices become greatly more intelligible with traditional speakers with a full midrange than modern speakers with exaggerated treble and bass.

What may be happening is that your speakers have a scooped profile, and audio mixes often have a scooped profile too. The sound effects and music tend to be bass and treble heavy, so you hear a lot of that.

But the lack of midrange means voices are hard to understand. You need range that to distinguish vowels, etc

I don’t understand how anyone can watch a movie with iPad or iPhone speakers. They are missing the exact part of the spectrum where important info in voices live. It’s just painful for me to pay attention with those speakers.

My parents were doing this, and I got them a simple Bluetooth speaker with midrange, and they immediately noticed the difference. Their faces lit up.

Judging by the comments here, it does seem there is a "double" race to the bottom of more treble and bass -- on the audio mix side and on the speaker side. So it's a compounding effect, which would explain a lot. So the least you can do is get some better speakers.

Or honestly if you have an EQ, you can just experiment with turning up the midrange and the treble/bass down, although with some speakers this will make things sound bad.

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Also I just skimmed the original article!! Isn't it obvious that the problem is iPad and iPhone speakers ????

I see young people listening to MUSIC on these things and it boggles my mind

They can't understand dialogue out of these crappy tinny speakers, so they turned on closed captioning ?? Makes total sense.

Or are they also using them with ear buds, which shouldn't have the problem? I notice more people NOT using ear buds (annoying people on the train), which makes me think the problem is the speakers

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