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Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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Post by hyperhopper »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #147
function_seven wrote: post #100

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I'd love to see what happens if I eat a meal, then say, "Sorry, I only have cash." They can be mad about it, but I don't think I'm breaking any laws by not having their preferred payment method to pay that debt, right? They can even ban me from the restaurant but—for that meal—I can't get charged with theft of services (or whatever the innkeeper laws are that relate to this situation)

Might depend on if there was clear notification before ordering your meal that they don't accept cash. In that case, you've incurred a debt that you knew you would be unable to pay. That might be some sort of fraud but it probably varies by jurisdiction.

Notification doesn't hold more weight than what is written on your dollar bill:

"All debts, public or private"

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

girvo wrote: post #212
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #121

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You could just prepay $X. Then extend it every so often. Any remainder gets refunded at the end. Honestly, in Australia I have not swiped my CC in over a decade.

In some ways we are pretty spoiled here in Australia, with regards to fintech adoption. The local farmers markets either take cash or contactless (or both depending on the stall). Its the literal only remaining place that I visit that takes cash-only at some stalls. Everywhere else is all contactless, all the time.

I suppose so. But it still blows me away that doing basic everyday payments in the largest economy in the world is still so poor and their physical money is terrible.

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Post by throwaway-blaze »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #46

This is why I really like the added security of the new Apple magnetic wallet I got. The wallet holds your cards and attaches to the back of the phone using magnets. While the inside of the wallet is magnetically shielded, I’ve found it’s nearly impossible when actually handling the magnetic wallet not to accidentally pass the card past the outside of the magnetic wallet. I have found that my card no longer works in…

So you mention lower in the thread that in fact you didn't get the new Apple magnetic wallet, but actually a 3rd party wallet and just assume Apple's will have the same problem.

That seems like a distinction worth mentioning, especially with the first comment on the article.

While it seems reasonable that Apple's wallet might have the same problem, you dont actually know.

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Post by arjvik »

akira2501 wrote: post #164
tempofinale wrote: post #137

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Charged for what? I have payment options on my phone so I don't have to bring my wallet everywhere. Works great, even for public transit and it's the same price as the card.

Charged as in has a full and operational battery. A card with a chip in this does not require that. I can also intentionally give someone else my card to effect a purchase and neither myself nor my phone actually has to be there. Fraud clearly hasn't had a deleterious effect on the entire system, and the penalties for fraud align incentives to fight fraud properly. It's not such a large problem that I'm willing to ta…

Modern iPhones actually support being used for NFC payments even when they're dead (using a tiny bit of reserve power)

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Post by RC_ITR »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #203
RC_ITR wrote: post #153

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Yeah, OP clarified he was using another brands wallet lol. Weird to dunk on Apple implying they under engineer their products. Engineering and (probably) precision manufacturing some magnetic shield is exactly the kind of thing Apple would do. From [0]: According to Apple's site, "the leather wallet is shielded so it’s safe for credit cards." That shield protects both Low Coercivity (LoCo) and High Coercivity (HiCo)…

Sorry if I wasn’t clear, but I’m saying that it’s easy when handling the small removable wallet to accidentally touch the non-shielded side of the wallet. Both my Popwallet and the Apple wallet have essentially the same design. A shielded pouch for credit cards, and a magnetic backing that attaches to the phone. The magnetic back cannot be shielded on the side that attaches to the phone, or it wouldn’t attach to the…

>but it’s very easy to do.

Let a thousand blossoms bloom, I guess.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

jen20 wrote: post #245
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #197

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A few reasons. One, it is a light hearted comment. I’m mostly just having some fun. Two, I suspect that the official wallet would have the same problem. The point is that apple designed a system where the wallet has to have magnets in it. The official apple product documentation states that there are in fact magnets in their wallet. And yes, just like my Popwallet brand, the inside of Apple’s wallet is magnetically s…

> Two, I suspect that the official wallet would have the same problem. But… it doesn’t.

Which problem? People are misunderstand me and thinking I am saying that the problem is poor magnetic shielding, aka that the cards when properly stored in the wallet are being demagnetized. But what I am saying is that when handling the wallet it is easy to accidentally touch the card to the outside of the wallet where the magnet is. Are you saying you can rub your cards on the outside of the magnetic wallet, on the magnet, and not demagnetize your cards? I’m still trying to determine whether people are talking about touching the card to the magnetic side of the wallet or they think I’m referring to putting the card in the wallet and having a failure due to poor shielding. I’m not talking about the latter.

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Post by SllX »

phinnaeus wrote: post #21
reaperducer wrote: post #16

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I often just leave the house with my phone and buy stuff with apple pay. I admire your uncomplicated, predictable life. Sometimes I want to buy something from a guy with the ice cream cart at the park. Sometimes I need to tip a valet, a doorman, a hotel maid, or another service worker. Sometimes I want to buy Girl Scout cookies from the girl with the table on the corner. Sometimes I want to buy something from one of…

I think it's clear the person you're replying to isn't from the US since they seem unaware of how prevalent even magnetic swiping is in the US (or was when I left before the pandemic, when I visited a few months ago it seems interest in contactless has finally started to catch on).

Also from the US. The last business I encountered that insisted on swiping cards was this past Spring, a toy vendor in a local mall. Contactless is normal, and my issue is I will sometimes want to pay someone a tip that only takes Venmo which I just don’t have nor want to have.

Cash-only is far more prevalent than card swiping, and even that is incredibly rare.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #258
w-ll wrote: post #248

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Well my thought on "pop sockets" is when one of your flagship products needs another product for people to hold it... some one f'd up and is not there anymore to call out the bs.

You don't actually need them to hold the phone though, just some people want to hold on to less of their phone to keep it on their hand. I personally just hold on to my phone with my own hand.

I do this and it gives me hand pain due to how I have to hold my pinky to steady the phone. I use the large phone model.

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Post by garyrichardson »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #171
Aperocky wrote: post #83

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Can't have a mag stripe vulnerability if there is no more mag stripe, such simple and elegant solution is tradition for Apple (can't have a broken home button when you don't have one!)

Mag stripe needs to die anyways. It is such a glaring security issue, I openly welcome any effort towards getting rid if it.

You must be in the US -- America is the only place where mag stripe still exists. Everyone else is using tap or chip and pin.

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Post by thewebcount »

kube-system wrote: post #175
tialaramex wrote: post #96

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A hotel I stayed at actually made an impression from my card in... I'm going to say maybe 2015 (I'm pretty sure this is before Trump, but it's after Marvel started re-publishing Miracleman). Hotel somewhere in the middle of Nottingham. Room nice enough, but no actual card machine.

That’s wild. Last time I saw one in the US was a family owned gas station around 2000.

There’s a pizza joint down the street from me that was still using one when the pandemic started. I would call them to order and they’d show up with the impression machine. I couldn’t use my Apple Card to pay with them.
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