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Post by fastball »

MBCook wrote: post #224
gpt5 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contactless transactions using your phone are fast, secure and easy. Over time they will replace almost all current usage of chip & pin or magnetic stripe.

You may think that, but get an Apple Watch or other smart watch that can do it. 10x better than the phone was. Don’t need to get anything out of your pocket or even carry the phone in the first place.

Although GP did say "phone", I don't think they really intended to exclude even better NFC form factors from their prophesy.

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Post by cuteboy19 »

zepppotemkin wrote: post #149
gpt5 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contactless transactions using your phone are fast, secure and easy. Over time they will replace almost all current usage of chip & pin or magnetic stripe.

personally I hate the idea of always needing a phone with me -- i leave mine at home most of the time just using my wallet and nfc transit card to get around

You can use a phone for everything but a card for only one thing. The choice is clear

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Post by Zhenya »

brewdad wrote: post #239
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #154

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That's opt-in but I think every credit card company in the US offers to alert you by SMS or app notification when a transaction has been made. I have that setup for my cards but it is annoying each month when the internet bill hits my card because they do their processing at 3am.

iOS Do Not Disturb mode from 10pm-7am changed my life. I used to hate getting those 3am notifications on my Android. Most of my cards offer an email notification option rather than SMS or in-app. Much less intrusive.

I hate to be that person:

Limit interruptions with Do Not Disturb on Android: https://support.google.com/android/answer/9069335?hl=en

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Post by bobsmooth »

gtirloni wrote: post #227

> However, there are a great many smaller businesses in the United States that still rely on being able to swipe the customer’s card. Who are these businesses? Seriously, stop issuing cards without chips and send new card readers to theses businesses. End of story. Is it because US businesses use deeply embedded card readers in custom POS machines that aren't modular? Everywhere I go in South America and Europe, busi…

It's because of tiny gas stations in the middle of nowhere.

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Post by jen20 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #197
piva00 wrote: post #142

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> This is why I really like the added security of the new Apple magnetic wallet I got. > I should say I’m actually not using the official Apple magnetic case but the Popwallet brand I don't understand why you would start this comment thread with a false statement though.

A few reasons. One, it is a light hearted comment. I’m mostly just having some fun. Two, I suspect that the official wallet would have the same problem. The point is that apple designed a system where the wallet has to have magnets in it. The official apple product documentation states that there are in fact magnets in their wallet. And yes, just like my Popwallet brand, the inside of Apple’s wallet is magnetically s…

> Two, I suspect that the official wallet would have the same problem.

But… it doesn’t.

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Post by cuteboy19 »

brewdad wrote: post #239
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's opt-in but I think every credit card company in the US offers to alert you by SMS or app notification when a transaction has been made. I have that setup for my cards but it is annoying each month when the internet bill hits my card because they do their processing at 3am.

iOS Do Not Disturb mode from 10pm-7am changed my life. I used to hate getting those 3am notifications on my Android. Most of my cards offer an email notification option rather than SMS or in-app. Much less intrusive.

There is DnD Android too. Search for it in settings. Usually you can set customisable periods too

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Post by cuteboy19 »

kube-system wrote: post #85
ilaksh wrote: post #3

ATMs, ATM cards, banks and fiat currency are all obsolescent technologies.

Cryptocurrencies, NFTs, and web3 are all immature technologies.

In most Asian countries ATM cards are a thing of the past. QR scanning is easier, more reliable and significantly safer

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Post by w-ll »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #210
ynx wrote: post #168

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Snark about Apple's shortsightedness tends to land better when you're not literally lying about using their product.

The problem is with the system Apple designed. They have a small removable wallet with magnets on the back. While I’m using a Popwallet brand wallet with my iPhone, the way it is designed I don’t think the official wallet would be any different. It has to have one side with exposed magnets per Apple’s design, and when handling the removable wallet I’ve found myself accidentally touching the magnetic side with my card…

Well my thought on "pop sockets" is when one of your flagship products needs another product for people to hold it... some one f'd up and is not there anymore to call out the bs.

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Post by scrumbledober »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #203
RC_ITR wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, OP clarified he was using another brands wallet lol. Weird to dunk on Apple implying they under engineer their products. Engineering and (probably) precision manufacturing some magnetic shield is exactly the kind of thing Apple would do. From [0]: According to Apple's site, "the leather wallet is shielded so it’s safe for credit cards." That shield protects both Low Coercivity (LoCo) and High Coercivity (HiCo)…

Sorry if I wasn’t clear, but I’m saying that it’s easy when handling the small removable wallet to accidentally touch the non-shielded side of the wallet. Both my Popwallet and the Apple wallet have essentially the same design. A shielded pouch for credit cards, and a magnetic backing that attaches to the phone. The magnetic back cannot be shielded on the side that attaches to the phone, or it wouldn’t attach to the…

You're holding it wrong.

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Post by Mister_Snuggles »

gtirloni wrote: post #227

> However, there are a great many smaller businesses in the United States that still rely on being able to swipe the customer’s card. Who are these businesses? Seriously, stop issuing cards without chips and send new card readers to theses businesses. End of story. Is it because US businesses use deeply embedded card readers in custom POS machines that aren't modular? Everywhere I go in South America and Europe, busi…

When Canada moved to Chip and Pin there was no fanfare.

Merchants started getting chip terminals as part of the regular replacement cycle, consumers started getting chip cards as part of that regular replacement cycle, and eventually the terminals started telling users to insert their card.

Interac was the first mover because most people were already familiar with swipe and pin, so the move to chip and pin was a virtual non-event. When the credit card companies moved the issuing banks had to issue PINs, but everyone already knew the mechanics of using it.

The most interesting part is that the US already has the infrastructure to support this. I went to a Walmart in the US and paying with my Canadian credit card worked EXACTLY like it does in Canada - insert card, confirm amount, enter PIN, done. The cashier was a little confused that I didn't need to sign for it, but ultimately they just went with it.

The introduction of NFC was a similar non-event.

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