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Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by endisneigh »

mrguyorama wrote: post #201
endisneigh wrote: post #116

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Your suggestion is like stealing records from Walmart and rationalizing that by saying you send money to the artists.

It is not my responsibility to make sure a company is profitable. If COSTCO willingly gives me enough free samples to feed my entire family, it is not my responsibility to then buy a bunch of COSTCO products to pay them back. Youtube chooses to give away video content for free. If they can't afford to do that because I don't watch their ads, they have every right to stop giving away their content for free. I am not r…

There’s not really the same thing. The samples you speak of is the equivalent of going to YouTube and seeing previews or thumbnails, not watching videos

I honestly don’t understand your logic. You could say the same about stealing food, or electronics.

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Post by Maelcum »

JohnFen wrote: post #162
Maelcum wrote: post #137

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Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/red-dot-stickers/s?k=red+dot+stickers Putting one on the mailbox means "No flyers please!", at least where I live.

I'd never heard of that before. I wish it were a thing where I live. But at least in my apartment complex, the recycling bin is right next to the mailboxes, so I can conveniently just move the junk mail straight from my mailbox to the bin.

The interesting thing is that there was a sticker inside the mailbox already, but it didn't work, my mailbox was filled with junk mail, and I put them in the bins too. I guess the others don't mind the flyers and stuff, because the bins are still pretty full, every time I check my mailbox.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by hotpotamus »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #205
hotpotamus wrote: post #75

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Did you ever see Idiocracy? It's become hackneyed to say that we're approaching it, but look at the way they handle advertising. Basically the video you watch is just a window surrounded by scrolling advertisement banners. The trend was clear then. Look at shows from the past, a "1 hour" program used to consist of what, 52 minutes? I know it's crept from 48 minutes to 42 last I checked. I even remember reading about…

Usually the number of ads per hour is mandated by regulation for traditional media. Youtube will converge to something similar if they want to keep their monopoly status.

Who regulates ads per hour?

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by mrguyorama »

endisneigh wrote: post #211
mrguyorama wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not my responsibility to make sure a company is profitable. If COSTCO willingly gives me enough free samples to feed my entire family, it is not my responsibility to then buy a bunch of COSTCO products to pay them back. Youtube chooses to give away video content for free. If they can't afford to do that because I don't watch their ads, they have every right to stop giving away their content for free. I am not r…

There’s not really the same thing. The samples you speak of is the equivalent of going to YouTube and seeing previews or thumbnails, not watching videos I honestly don’t understand your logic. You could say the same about stealing food, or electronics.

No you can't. How about another analogy.

Many bars pay licensing fees to television providers to show sports and other content to their patrons. When you watch a game in the bar, you usually spend money for drinks, which pays for the bar and pays for the bar owner to pay the television providers. If I walk into that bar, and watch the game, but don't buy anything, I am not stealing anything. Sure, the owner can kick me out, but they can't take me to court or blame me if nobody buys their drinks while watching the game. It's not my responsibility to make sure the bar profits.

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Post by zibby8 »

moomoo11 wrote: post #106
hooby wrote: post #77

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No, haven't seen Idiocracy (yet) - but I remember seeing a short clip of the ads you mention. If I remember correctly, when I went to university 20+ years ago, "animation blindness" was already a coined term. The idea is, that you can't use animated buttons or icons on your website, because people have become condition to completely ignore anything that moves, and consider it NOT part of the website. So if you do hav…

No need to watch it. We are already living it. That movie messed with my head.

I think there was an important facet that the movie missed. The market has driven wages so low that people can’t afford to have kids. That acts as a counter balance to the less intelligent -> more kids feedback cycle the movie is predicated on.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by regularperson26 »

atan2 wrote: post #58

More and more, this model of "free" content that basically fills webpages with ads will fall. Most companies are realizing that ads do not work, which means we will have to start paying (actual money) for good content. And since users are going to pay from their pockets anyway, I would seriously consider moving content away from youtube and hosting my own stuff. For example, if I am going to take a course, I'd rather…

>which means we will have to start paying (actual money) for good content.

I think both options will be available as it is now. I personally don't like the idea of paying for every particular thing that I consume. (kind of whats happening with streaming services lately) Not only because it is a hassle but also those single payments quickly add up, ultimately hurting creators.

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Post by tomjen3 »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #197
tomjen3 wrote: post #170

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Thats great for you. For me, its way overpriced, considering they are not creating any of the content and it doesn't actually cover all ads.

> and it doesn't actually cover all ads That's not true at all . I've been paying for Premium for over a year, and I can say with certainty that I have seen zero ads placed by YouTube. The only ones I've seen are ones creators put in themselves.

Exactly. Not all ads.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by endisneigh »

mrguyorama wrote: post #214
endisneigh wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s not really the same thing. The samples you speak of is the equivalent of going to YouTube and seeing previews or thumbnails, not watching videos I honestly don’t understand your logic. You could say the same about stealing food, or electronics.

No you can't. How about another analogy. Many bars pay licensing fees to television providers to show sports and other content to their patrons. When you watch a game in the bar, you usually spend money for drinks, which pays for the bar and pays for the bar owner to pay the television providers. If I walk into that bar, and watch the game, but don't buy anything, I am not stealing anything. Sure, the owner can kick…

Again your analogy is flawed. YouTube displays ads and you circumvent them in some way and take the product, in this case a video.

Similarly you go to Walmart, the equivalent of YouTube.com, find a product, analogous to finding a video, and take it without paying? Analogous to watching the advertisement.

Your analogy makes more sense for Google search in that you can search and see results and simply choose to not click ads, whereas on YouTube you cannot choose to not watch some of an ad, without paying.

The key part in a metaphor around this is that you must circumvent in your comparison, since that's the main thing being done here. Simply choosing to not do something isn't circumvention unless that's the implicit expectation (e.g. paying for something you took).

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Post by prirun »

zibby8 wrote: post #215
moomoo11 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to watch it. We are already living it. That movie messed with my head.

I think there was an important facet that the movie missed. The market has driven wages so low that people can’t afford to have kids. That acts as a counter balance to the less intelligent -> more kids feedback cycle the movie is predicated on.

> The market has driven wages so low that people can’t afford to have kids.

Yeah, but they can still afford to have sex, and especially with abortions being made illegal, they're gonna have kids, even if they can't afford it. My tin-foil opinion is that this is part of the plan to keep people from raising their standard of living and maintain a captive work force that has to take whatever shitty jobs/wages offered.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by jerojero »

silisili wrote: post #192
mark_l_watson wrote: post #163

They won't make it so annoying that they lose substantial percentage of viewers. Hopefully not off topic: I continue to be surprised at how many of my friends don't pay for an ad-free YouTube (virtually all of them!). For about $15/month my wife and I get YouTube Music that includes ad-free (but content creators sometimes embed their own ads) YouTube. A bonus: when listening to old music from my youth, I am surprised…

I think the problem for me is that ad free isn't ad free with YouTube. It seems half the videos I come across are littered with sponsored segments. Often multiple in the same video. Worse, there's whole cadres of reviewers, mainly in tech, who have created a weird feedback loop causing their entire videos to be subtle ads. Reviewer gets popular, reviewer quits job to youtube full time, reviewer needs to get early acc…

Theres a handy extension called sponsor block that skips sponsored content (and other non relevant content if you wish) from videos.

If you have both adblock and sponsorblock you can pretty much have a completely ad-free experience.

But at that point, is it fair to the creators? I guess as long as not enough people are aware then it's not a problem; though obviously not a solution.

In reality, the whole "creator economy" that's based on using the creators influence to sell products (which btw are almost always unrelated to what the creator actually does) seems to me like a problematic way of finding art and content.

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