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Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by mrguyorama »

endisneigh wrote: post #116
rchaud wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creators have their own e-stores, I've supported those. Your suggestion is like buying a record from Walmart to support the artist, instead of buying it directly at a show.

Your suggestion is like stealing records from Walmart and rationalizing that by saying you send money to the artists.

It is not my responsibility to make sure a company is profitable. If COSTCO willingly gives me enough free samples to feed my entire family, it is not my responsibility to then buy a bunch of COSTCO products to pay them back.

Youtube chooses to give away video content for free. If they can't afford to do that because I don't watch their ads, they have every right to stop giving away their content for free. I am not required to support their current revenue strategy.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by mrguyorama »

endisneigh wrote: post #149
rchaud wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me to have stolen something, there needs to be less of a product in the store between the time I arrived, and the time I left. In this scenario, CVS' inventory stays exactly the same. You are in "you wouldn't download a car" territory, so nothing I say is likely to convince you. These points have been argued since time immemorial, i.e. 2000, Lars Ulrich v Napster. Youtube isn't any different.

So your opinion is basically that as long as it’s not physical, it’s free to take. Good thing others think differently or software wouldn’t be a viable business.

Most of the world runs on literally free and open software, so what is your point again?

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by mrguyorama »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #197
tomjen3 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats great for you. For me, its way overpriced, considering they are not creating any of the content and it doesn't actually cover all ads.

> and it doesn't actually cover all ads That's not true at all . I've been paying for Premium for over a year, and I can say with certainty that I have seen zero ads placed by YouTube. The only ones I've seen are ones creators put in themselves.

So it doesn't cover all ads. Sponsored content is advertising. If youtube premium doesn't result in creators making enough to support themselves then it's feeding youtube for no net gain.

Any "pay for youtube directly" strategy MUST result in a creator 1) not needing to get external revenue from merch, sponsors, patreon, or anything like that. 2) not be so at the mercy of youtube algorithms and unaccountable decision trees that content match them to silence, remove their payment through "demonitization", and provide actual support to the creators so they can focus on creating instead of whipping up public shitstorms just to get basic support, and 3) reward creators for making higher quality content, instead of more addictive or "engaging" content.

Right now Youtube Premium isn't that service. What is that service? Floatplane and nebula are trying to be that service. Nebula specifically has nearly every high quality, "tech, science, invention, discovery, learning etc" content creators and it's like $100 a year. All of my favorite content creators are part of it.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by eurasiantiger »

hooby wrote: post #63

Imho, the big question here is, if there's actually a trend. Was it easier, 10 years ago, to make money from a website, with just one single (non-animated) banner on top, than it is today with a website that's plastered with animated banners, link ads, and other stuff? Was it easier, 10 years ago, to make money from a video platform, with just one single skip-able ad at the start of each video - than it is today with…

The trend is to mix in the advertising with the content, which is of course created for advertising in mind to begin with.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

hotpotamus wrote: post #75
hooby wrote: post #63

Imho, the big question here is, if there's actually a trend. Was it easier, 10 years ago, to make money from a website, with just one single (non-animated) banner on top, than it is today with a website that's plastered with animated banners, link ads, and other stuff? Was it easier, 10 years ago, to make money from a video platform, with just one single skip-able ad at the start of each video - than it is today with…

Did you ever see Idiocracy? It's become hackneyed to say that we're approaching it, but look at the way they handle advertising. Basically the video you watch is just a window surrounded by scrolling advertisement banners. The trend was clear then. Look at shows from the past, a "1 hour" program used to consist of what, 52 minutes? I know it's crept from 48 minutes to 42 last I checked. I even remember reading about…

Usually the number of ads per hour is mandated by regulation for traditional media.

Youtube will converge to something similar if they want to keep their monopoly status.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by mrguyorama »

rchaud wrote: post #125
kornhole wrote: post #39

I wish that next to the thumbs up button was a support icon that allowed you to fund the creator a small amount in an easy way. The platform owner would get a percentage.

They already have that. When people livestream, there are buttons you can click to pay money: $5, $10, $20 etc. Looks really gauche and cheap, but then again so does most of the 'creator' economy.

That's specific to streaming though. For some reason, streaming content has all devolved to just cam sites but without any nudity. The way watchers "interact" and how the streamers are encouraged to "interact" back with whoever swings their dick the biggest because mommy's credit card has a higher limit is gross and massively ruins all streaming for me.

Vinesauce has existed since before twitch, but a while back they moved onto twitch and it's been downhill ever since. It seems like you are required to aim your content more at 12 year olds if you stream, instead of a broad audience, because maybe 12 year olds are more susceptible to the weird mind game that streaming is.

If you've never watched a twitch stream, just say "poggers" to yourself for two straight hours for an accurate experience.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by mrguyorama »

JohnFen wrote: post #178
ranger47 wrote: post #21

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Nebula is trying to bill itself as an alternative, but I am not convinced it will gain the traction it needs to become what we might call a YT alternative. Users have griped about the ads on YT for years now, yet they keep using it, which just affirms that YT can inject as many ads as it wants without risking its user base. By continuing to use a product we complain about, we are giving that product permission to con…

I gave Nebula an honest try, but their Android app was effectively unusable for me, so I cancelled my subscription.

I literally don't use the web site, but I pay for it because all the best creators are part of it, and I don't like the parasocial bullcrap that happens in patreon so it's a good alternative to support those creators more directly.

No, I don't want to pretend to be your friend in a discord chat, I want to pay your bills so you can continue pushing out a video occasionally that is incredibly well done.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by isthisthingon99 »

bigtex wrote: post #92

I haven’t seen an ad on YouTube in ages with ublock origin.

have you considered to just pay for youtube? you can add up to 6 people in your family who can also use it and your money goes to the content creators you watch, minus youtube's cut probably. that's what I do.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by isthisthingon99 »

endisneigh wrote: post #118

I don’t like ads, especially not irrelevant and excessive ones (I pay for YouTube premium), but the amount of people bragging about getting around ads is just sad. I assume most of us here have jobs. Are we ok with working for free? Many people on YouTube do it full time, with ad revenue and exposure being their primary source of income. Somehow some people have it in their heads that if the job is entertainment then…

> I don’t like ads, especially not irrelevant and excessive ones (I pay for YouTube premium), but the amount of people bragging about getting around ads is just sad.

Same. At this point, I'm making $XK/day and to think I can't spend some tiny fraction of that to support the people who create the content... seems morally wrong to me. YouTube made it easy.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Post by endisneigh »

mrguyorama wrote: post #202
endisneigh wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your opinion is basically that as long as it’s not physical, it’s free to take. Good thing others think differently or software wouldn’t be a viable business.

Most of the world runs on literally free and open software, so what is your point again?

Most of the world also runs on paid software, that’s purchased. Infrastructure isn’t free, software to run said infrastructure isn’t, either.

Can’t believe I’m arguing with people on here that software and digital goods are worth something.

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