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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by MichaelCollins »

jamesssssss833 wrote: post #88
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

In a lot of ways in the US i see the issue here coming down to prohibition. If Marijuana was legal and regulated then the FDA could prosecute fraudsters that claim the drug is “completely hazard free miracle herb that doctors HATE”. Of course irresponsible fools are taking advantage in a gap in the law to make short term profits.

The FDA could go after any merchants making those claims, but for the most part those memes are spread by randos on reddit/etc. The FDA doesn't and shouldn't go after random people saying stupid shit they probably earnestly believe.

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Post by michaelwww »

googlryas wrote: post #96
michaelwww wrote: post #11

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

My pregnant wife refuses to buy me beer from the grocery store because of observations from strangers like this.

Well I didn't give her a look. She wasn't even aware that I was there. But yeah, I think your wife has the right strategy, because there are people who will say something.

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Post by sammalloy »

darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cigarettes, fat and sugar

You should look closer at the risks of caffeine. Someone was in the news dying from an accidental ingestion of a large dose just a few days ago. And there’s been some evidence for a while now that high doses of caffeine in energy drinks can lead to delusional behavior.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by skissane »

opportune wrote: post #150
oaktrout wrote: post #135

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I have a feeling that these individuals (I could only find two in my pubmed search) were suffering from schizophrenia, not cannabis-induced psychosis. Maybe you could make the argument that the cannabis caused the schizophrenia, but that's still a different diagnosis. In the case you link the guy had smoked weed for two years prior with no apparent issues. Yes his psychosis resolved after he stopped using cannabis, b…

I hear this argument every time someone does something bad on psychedelics and cannabis. I’ve also heard that, if the patient had no history of schizophrenia or related disorders, they must have just had it latent and were bound to get it anyway. Bottom line is there is no way for any individual to really know if they have latent schizophrenia anyway, and I think it’s a conveniently non-disprovable explanation for wh…

I've long had this sense, that if I started smoking weed every day, I probably would develop psychosis sooner or later. I feel like my connection to reality is at times somewhat tenuous, and heavy cannabis could easily disturb it enough to break it entirely. I suppose I could be wrong, but that's a hypothesis I'm not going to test.

I do think some people can have that "latent" potential yet have the good fortune of never activating it – and cannabis definitely has the potential to do so (although most recreational drugs probably can given sufficiently heavy long-term use).

(I tried cannabis once, years ago, I could see why people like it but I didn't feel any great urge to repeat the experience – and worries like this also discourage me – which is probably for the best.)

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Post by snarfy »

nico wrote: post #94
scythe wrote: post #41

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The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

Recently attended a lecture on Cannabis by a renowned researcher on the subject (the Director of the UCLA Center for Cannabis & Cannabinoids) The most adverse (proven) effects of Cannabis are: * Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) * Risk of vehicle crashes * Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU * Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use diso…

That might be the complete slide but it is not the complete picture. This disorder for example causes pretty extreme digestive issues, and it has not been in the medical literature for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndro...

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Post by avereveard »

heavyset_go wrote: post #112
Bud wrote: post #47

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It's not that complex, actually. The vast majority of fats, all the natural ones, basically, are fine. Healthy, even. The weirdass plastic fats created by injecting hydrogen into vegetable oil are not fine. Done! Was that really so nuanced? No. It was not.

Palm oils in particular are not very healthy and are suspected to be a leading cause of diet-induced heart disease. Not all fats are created equally, or in equal proportions. Palm oils are high in specific saturated fats that are linked to cardiovascular disease. Palm oils are some of the most common fats found in prepared foods, especially foods that need solid fats at room temperatures. The majority of peanut butte…

Your body produces palmitic acid on its own, 30% of your fat is palmitic acid yourself produced. Reducing consumption of palmitic acid mostly reduces your quality of life, a balanced diet with a good biscuit and noeccessive calories does much more than eating dry, sandy biscuits and excess on sugar later on.

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Post by QuercusMax »

Bud wrote: post #56
withinboredom wrote: post #34

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Yes, in moderation, weed is probably harmless and maybe good for you. Getting high (aka, poisoning yourself), not so much.

Why do you assume that any and all forms of getting high involve poisoning?

Yeah, it's not like getting drunk, where alcohol actually is a toxin and you can kill yourself with an overdose.

I find if I have alcohol early in the day enough to get a buzz, after I sober up I still will feel tired and sluggish. Do a wake and bake - get stoned for an hour or two and then I feel totally normal the rest of the day. Weed isn't toxic (although inhalation of smoke may be).

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Post by avereveard »

User23 wrote: post #155
heavyset_go wrote: post #142

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A few years ago, I did some reading on PubMed to figure out what fats are best to cook with. Came to the conclusion that extra virgin olive oil, which papers use the acronym "EVOO" for, is best for frying, whether that's pan or deep frying, and cooking in general. It's high in monounsaturated fats and studies found that various compounds in EVOO prevent the formation of free radicals, volatile organic compounds, alde…

I fry most everything in ghee these days. It’s delicious and the smoke point is north of 400 degrees Fahrenheit.

Ghee is like 30% palmitic acid. I use it for cooking everything that doesn't call for oil, but people on a palm oil crusade might want to steer clear.

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Post by brigandish »

ch4s3 wrote: post #124
nico wrote: post #94

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Recently attended a lecture on Cannabis by a renowned researcher on the subject (the Director of the UCLA Center for Cannabis & Cannabinoids) The most adverse (proven) effects of Cannabis are: * Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) * Risk of vehicle crashes * Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU * Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use diso…

> Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) Yep breathing combustion products is pretty bad for you. > Risk of vehicle crashes I'm not aware of any proponents of driving while high. > Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU Again, who's advocating for pregnant women to consume cannabis? > Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use disorder) I think thi…

> I'm not aware of any proponents of driving while high.

> Again, who's advocating for pregnant women to consume cannabis?

I thought the comment was making clear what was considered a risk, not what is being advocated? People certainly do drive while under the effects of cannabis, I've known a few. I don't know anyone who consumed it while pregnant but I'm sure they do exist.

> I'm not sure anyone thinks you should smoke a bunch of drugs before studying for finals.

Again, I know people who've done this.

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Post by skissane »

01100011 wrote: post #133
skissane wrote: post #123

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Stumbling upon cases like this one really shocked me - “Penile self-amputation due to cannabis-induced psychosis: a case report” https://jmedicalcasereports.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11... (Edit: graphic images warning) If you search PubMed, you will find case reports of other similar incidents. Now, no denying this is an extremely rare adverse effect, but still a quite frightening one. (Also worth stating, many…

Warning, there are some graphic images in that link.

Good point, I edited it to add a note. I should have warned people but I forgot.

Also, my mother is a doctor, and when I was a teenager (even tweenager) I used to love to read her medical journals and textbooks–it has made me rather immune to the unsightly images they sometimes contain–although, interestingly, images which I can view nonchalantly in a medical context will still freak me out if divorced from that context.

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