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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by 01100011 »

darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

I used cannabis heavily for a significant portion of my life, participated in cannabusinesses over a decade ago, dealt it, etc... Also glad this research is being done. Pot is not purely evil or good. It's a complex stew of chemicals with varying effects on various people at various stages of their development. We need to continue to understand its effects while being cautious about promoting its use.

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hellohowareu wrote: post #116
Maursault wrote: post #26

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"misogyny" Uh, no. Criticism does not equate to hatred. And the more the word "misogyny" is misused by being thrown around frivolously, the less useful it is as an accurate descriptor. You do our language and society a disservice by conflating the concepts of hate vs critique.

When the criticism boils down to "you aren't doing what we tell you to do," or "I don't approve what you do with your body," then, oh, no, when directed towards women by men this is nothing less than misogyny, and denying it doesn't cut the mustard. Leave women alone, and then we'll know you're not a misogynist. Otherwise, the descriptor fits.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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skissane wrote: post #123
scythe wrote: post #41

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The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

Stumbling upon cases like this one really shocked me - “Penile self-amputation due to cannabis-induced psychosis: a case report” https://jmedicalcasereports.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11... (Edit: graphic images warning) If you search PubMed, you will find case reports of other similar incidents. Now, no denying this is an extremely rare adverse effect, but still a quite frightening one. (Also worth stating, many…

Warning, there are some graphic images in that link.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by tsol »

nico wrote: post #94
scythe wrote: post #41

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The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

Recently attended a lecture on Cannabis by a renowned researcher on the subject (the Director of the UCLA Center for Cannabis & Cannabinoids) The most adverse (proven) effects of Cannabis are: * Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) * Risk of vehicle crashes * Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU * Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use diso…

There's some evidence to point that heart issues are more common in marijuana smokers.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/marijuana-hea....

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/11/08/cannabis-use-disord...

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by oaktrout »

skissane wrote: post #123
scythe wrote: post #41

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The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

Stumbling upon cases like this one really shocked me - “Penile self-amputation due to cannabis-induced psychosis: a case report” https://jmedicalcasereports.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11... (Edit: graphic images warning) If you search PubMed, you will find case reports of other similar incidents. Now, no denying this is an extremely rare adverse effect, but still a quite frightening one. (Also worth stating, many…

I have a feeling that these individuals (I could only find two in my pubmed search) were suffering from schizophrenia, not cannabis-induced psychosis. Maybe you could make the argument that the cannabis caused the schizophrenia, but that's still a different diagnosis.

In the case you link the guy had smoked weed for two years prior with no apparent issues. Yes his psychosis resolved after he stopped using cannabis, but he was also treated from that point onward with anti-psychotics (the kind you would treat schizophrenia with). It was probably the anti-psychotics, not the cannabis cessation that made him not psychotic.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by Karunamon »

mosseater wrote: post #80
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #29

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Addiction, self-medication (eg. pain/nausea relief), escapism, peer pressure. To name a few. I used to be sceptical about weed addiction, and then it happened to me. It was relatively difficult to quit even though the habit was severely impacting my work and social life. In the end not having any weed around helped a lot. If you have an easy endless supply, boy, you're in trouble. If you enjoy weed, consider having a…

Also, you know, doctor recommended medication. And not just the "weed doctors" do it either, my conservative neurologist even told me to smoke THC heavy marijuana. I smoke every day. It absolutely impacts my work and social life, as without it I'm a painful ball of irritation that would have to be on opiates to get anything done.

Just to be clear, he told you to smoke? There are other ingestion methods, including vaping, that don't come with a ton of other health risks.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by Maursault »

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Alcohol has been in use for ~7000 years yet society only began broadly recognizing it as harmful during pregnancy in the 1970s. [0] I don’t think the form of your argument holds any weight. Would you make the same claim regarding the use of alcohol during pregnancy? [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26137906/

This is a straw man argument. You have introduced alcohol to set up your straw man so that you can attack it. As such, your argument is fallacious, and would be no different if you had used bleach instead of alcohol. Neither bleach nor alcohol is cannabis.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by someguydave »

Maursault wrote: post #122
someguydave wrote: post #78

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Women are not in a vacuum, their decisions impact all the people and babies around them and those people and babies have a right to an opinion.

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> Babies are not fetuses

false

> Just as no one has a right to tell you what you can do with your body

parents have this authority over children and the states have police power to tell people exactly what they may or may not do with their bodies

>neither you nor society has any right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body

nope

> 4th Amendment guarantees the right of the people to be secure in their person

The 4th amendment prohibits the government from seizing things. It has nothing to say about women from murdering babies.

> about to be creamed in election

seems unlikely from the polls I see but I would gladly trade all Republican political prospects for criminalizing abortions

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by scythe »

robocat wrote: post #69
scythe wrote: post #41

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The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

> The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Can you please tell me why you think heart rate is more concerning than the psychological effects? Effects which the paper itself mentions and you seem to downplay for some unobvious reason to me. For me, the difficulty is discerning causation from correlation. Anecdotally I know plenty of cannabis users, and many of them have obvious me…

Psychological effects are, in general, reversible. Also, they tend to be dose-dependent, and rather obvious. It's easy to avoid them by limiting consumption. I stopped smoking weed for other reasons, but I didn't really care if my memory formation was impaired after 9 PM. Effects on the heart, on the other hand, can build up for years without much warning, since most people don't get regular EKG.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by [deleted] »

eej71 wrote: post #102
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

Agreed. My baseless and unsourced opinion is that the hardware we call the brain which makes consiousness possible can only take so many hits.

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