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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

So much this. It's become so white washed that you would think it's actually good for you if you only listened to media.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by ok_dad »

robocat wrote: post #69
scythe wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

> The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Can you please tell me why you think heart rate is more concerning than the psychological effects? Effects which the paper itself mentions and you seem to downplay for some unobvious reason to me. For me, the difficulty is discerning causation from correlation. Anecdotally I know plenty of cannabis users, and many of them have obvious me…

> Anecdotally I know plenty of cannabis users, and many of them have obvious mental issues

Do they have actual, diagnosed "mental issues", or are you judging that some of their behavior is out of the norm for your experience and thus it must be a mental issue?

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Post by jjulius »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #20
tedivm wrote: post #9

The amount of research over last decade has been huge, even outside of this. It used to be the only way companies could research cannabis was by getting really crappy samples from a government grow house, but with legalization the supply of research samples and the quality of researchers willing to work on it has grown considerably. This is a direct safety issue. I used to moderator one of the bigger cannabis subredd…

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>... weed people...

Your bias is showing.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by nico »

scythe wrote: post #41
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

Recently attended a lecture on Cannabis by a renowned researcher on the subject (the Director of the UCLA Center for Cannabis & Cannabinoids)

The most adverse (proven) effects of Cannabis are:

* Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it)

* Risk of vehicle crashes

* Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU

* Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use disorder)

* Impaired learning, memory, attention

* Drug-drug interaction (mostly for CBD - liver toxicity)

That’s the complete slide. Not once in the whole lecture were heart rate issues mentioned or asked about by the attendees.

As you can see, there are plenty of adverse effects, but heart-related issues are not one of the main concerns.

Do you have any sources for the research you mention and how concerning it is?

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by JamesBarney »

These association studies are near useless. Every positive behavior and positive outcome are correlated, and every bad behavior and outcome are correlated.

Mothers who get high during their pregnancy are different from mothers who don't.

A more informed one would be looking at women with seizures that are treated with cannabis and comparing them to women with the same disorder who aren't. There are still differences but they'd be smaller.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by googlryas »

michaelwww wrote: post #11

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

My pregnant wife refuses to buy me beer from the grocery store because of observations from strangers like this.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by jjulius »

michaelwww wrote: post #11

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

My wife has picked up marijuana for me while pregnant from a dispensary before because it was right next to another business that she was already at. Please don't be so quick to judge others.

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Post by virtuabhi »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #55
hollywood_court wrote: post #43

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I agreed with all of that except for fat. You need fat. You don’t need any of the others.

I need alcohol to be sociable.

Hello, Mr. Koothrappali :)

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by jjulius »

staringback wrote: post #75
dekken_ wrote: post #59

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The point is that weed isn't just bad for you, it depends on your condition and the dosage.

Do you need weed to survive?

It's a loose comparison, it doesn't have to be perfect and I'm pretty sure you understand the point they're trying to make.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by Apocryphon »

404mm wrote: post #38
withinboredom wrote: post #32

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And water comes from burning fossil fuels too, but I doubt that water would be good for you. Ibuprofen comes from the bark of tree IIRC, but that pill is a lot better than the soup you’d have to eat to get not nearly the same effect. Everything is natural. I really hate that argument.

In moments when I’m not speechless, I usually just say “and so does Mercury and Uranium“.

Those are minerals, not plants. A better counterpart would be nightshade and castor plant oil seeds.
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