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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by tedivm »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #23
tedivm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the real problem- and something I'm hoping more research can help with- is that marijuana is a medicine for a lot of people. It prevents seizures, reduces or stops migraines, and (this one is really important considering the context) reduces nausea. Sometimes people have to balance between a bunch of crappy options. This isn't always the case, of course, but it's hard to judge what someone is going through fr…

A lot of medications need to be discontinued during pregnancy. All of the women I know who are bipolar absolutely do not want to become pregnant because they would need to stop taking all of their medication.

Yeah- and with a lack of research available there are a lot of people who limited their cannabis intake or didn't reduce at all during pregnancy.

A lot of this comes down to balancing risks- which is absolutely something that should be done while consulting a doctor. If someone is so nauseous they can't even maintain weight, let alone gain that healthy baby weight, then it's possible a small amount of marijuana may be more healthy for them despite the risks.

To be clear though I'm just advocating a lot more research on the subject, and personally would err on the side of caution when it comes to things that aren't heavily researched.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by withinboredom »

404mm wrote: post #13
1-6 wrote: post #4

Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?

One response I received was: “weed is natural and comes from the Earth”. It’s absolutely mind boggling how stupid people can be.

And water comes from burning fossil fuels too, but I doubt that water would be good for you. Ibuprofen comes from the bark of tree IIRC, but that pill is a lot better than the soup you’d have to eat to get not nearly the same effect. Everything is natural. I really hate that argument.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by vorpalhex »

404mm wrote: post #13
1-6 wrote: post #4

Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?

One response I received was: “weed is natural and comes from the Earth”. It’s absolutely mind boggling how stupid people can be.

"So are sharks and volcanoes..."

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by withinboredom »

tedivm wrote: post #18
michaelwww wrote: post #11

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

I think the real problem- and something I'm hoping more research can help with- is that marijuana is a medicine for a lot of people. It prevents seizures, reduces or stops migraines, and (this one is really important considering the context) reduces nausea. Sometimes people have to balance between a bunch of crappy options. This isn't always the case, of course, but it's hard to judge what someone is going through fr…

Yes, in moderation, weed is probably harmless and maybe good for you. Getting high (aka, poisoning yourself), not so much.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by tedivm »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #20
tedivm wrote: post #9

The amount of research over last decade has been huge, even outside of this. It used to be the only way companies could research cannabis was by getting really crappy samples from a government grow house, but with legalization the supply of research samples and the quality of researchers willing to work on it has grown considerably. This is a direct safety issue. I used to moderator one of the bigger cannabis subredd…

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If that's what you think my response says then you didn't read it at all. I literally said that I would tell people "we just don't know, and so it should be avoided". Not "we don't know". I said "We don't know, so avoid it". That's a very different statement than what you're quoting- literally the exact opposite of your "it's not safe" quote.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by asveikau »

1-6 wrote: post #4

Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?

I think it's more addictive than people think. I've known a few people who I think have a problem, but they become violently confrontational if you say it might be addictive for some. I may get comments and downvotes along these lines.

I guess some people may also have some exposure from before they realize they're pregnant. That probably also happens with things like alcohol. I think I've heard some say that's not a big issue, though.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by 404mm »

withinboredom wrote: post #32
404mm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One response I received was: “weed is natural and comes from the Earth”. It’s absolutely mind boggling how stupid people can be.

And water comes from burning fossil fuels too, but I doubt that water would be good for you. Ibuprofen comes from the bark of tree IIRC, but that pill is a lot better than the soup you’d have to eat to get not nearly the same effect. Everything is natural. I really hate that argument.

In moments when I’m not speechless, I usually just say “and so does Mercury and Uranium“.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by xattt »

itsoktocry wrote: post #15
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

The same sentiment can be applied to current psychedelics research.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by Godel_unicode »

avgcorrection wrote: post #27
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

Fat is an essential macronutrient.

Fat includes transfat. This back-and-forth does an excellent job of underlining GPs point about those being complex subjects that require study and nuanced explanation.
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