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I'm not sure that it was PR. It is quite popular to be consistent and defend anybody who isn't convicted of a crime. If you are choosing to get CDN / DDOS protection and are running any site that may not be the most popular do you want to go with the company that bends their knee when the internet comes calling?
It's not popular if you're complicit in spreading hate for trans people.
The problem with salem witch trials du jour so fervently pushed by certain groups of people is closing to its demise with every case like this. The advantage of emotionally immature people (regardless of their actual age) having too much time on their hands forcing their narrative and banning any discourse that they don't like will eventually cease when the majority of people will realize that they are, well, in a ma…
Your argument looks like blatant self victimisation. Kiwi Farms is involved in the suicides and endangerement of multiple people. I really don't see the coherence in your arguments here.
I’m continually surprised that Facebook, Twitter, and the rest dont simply create a web interface for law enforcement that allows them to delete (or more likely make invisible) content they want to censor. Noting in place of the post or tweet or whatever “law enforcement in your jurisdiction has deemed this post illegal and have hidden it for your safety”. There’s a culture war afoot, the government wants to insert i…
I fail to see how you connected all of these points together. How did you get from "a private company chooses who they service" to "the government inserts itself between warring parties"? It really looks like you're pushing an agenda.
The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…
> But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. What if the freedom of speech you are defending is impeding on the right of others to speak freely? While I agree with the sentiment, that we have to be especially observant how we treat the freedoms of the people whose opinions we dislike, I don't think just defending those and forgetting…
I'm not sure how speech can impede on the right of others to speak freely. Speech can certainly discourage others from speaking freely, and that's bad for freedom of speech in a broad millian sense[1], but it's too vague to justify shutting down an entire forum because some speech there might discourage others from speaking freely.
Where’s the consideration for CFs speech? If management doesn’t want to help serve filth, they shouldn’t be compelled to. They’re a private company. It doesn’t even have to be consistent.
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Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, hate speech can only be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group. Kiwi Farms absolutely incited imminent criminal activity (harassment, among other things) and made lots of specific threats against specifically targeted people and groups. This is a false equivalence.
Inciting harassment might be someone telling everyone to order pizzas and send them to an address. It wouldn't be posting a picture of someone's house with no context. While that might facilitate harassment, it doesn't actually incite it.
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Well, you're just wrong then, and the behavior you are encouraging is literally illegal in most of the world. And beyond legality, kids self-administering HRT with neither parental nor medical supervision is a truly scary thought. It is certain to leave most with significant health issues, that no amount of good will will help them solve.
What is supported by medical literature and law/bureaucracy are not necessarily aligned. Abortion also faces this problem. Ideally yes you would want a GP to prescribe you HRT. But if in the place where you currently live this is not possible without years of gatekeeping, or parents have veto power, gray-market solutions are the next best possible alternative.
I fully support the right of children to receive puberty blockers to help them achieve a smooth transition when they are old enough to fully understand the consequences. I bemoan states and parents that seek to harm trans children by refusing them access to this type of treatment, and others. But slef-medicating as a child is in absolutely no way an acceptable replacement. Being a non-passing trans adult, as bad as it is, is likely to be much much better than the harms you expose yourself to by accidentally overdosing on hormones as a child.
Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no... This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the…
Sit down in the boat. Thepiratebay is still online a trizillion years after all the debacles. Cloudflare is not the biggest player at these services. Any other major competitor does not allow services like KW. This whole ordeal is stupid.
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3 people are dead because of that site. What they were doing was a crime. Criminal activity is not is not protected free speech. That's like arguing carding and SIM swapping sites are just expressing their right to free speech and should be protected.
So why are they not being prosecuted if it was a crime? DDoS is also a crime, and equates to mob justice at best in this case.
CloudFlare’s original announcement mentions law enforcement. The bomb threats will almost certainly see investigation; that’s domestic terrorism.