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Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #78
psyc wrote: post #37

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Is it? I'm one of those free speech people, I think, but I do recognize that some 'speech' is harassment when combined with action. Not because of the content, but because you're intending to disrupt somebody, such as following them around all day and yelling. DDoS seems like that. Doesn't it? I mean you're not even saying anything. It's like saying throwing rocks at a window is speech. "What? I'm just trying to say…

As an absolutist, this line of thinking just doesn't have a stopping point. Speech acts are inherently violent. There is no line to draw.

Yeah, i'm guessing you have no idea what violence actually means.. It must be pretty privileged to be able to hold such a view of things.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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viridian wrote: post #81
notthisagain2 wrote: post #64

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Yes they did: https://kiwifarms.net/search/15388568/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.... I guess that's part of the reason why there are very specific accounts in this thread promoting obvious misinformation without citing any sources.

To be honest, having read through this entire thread, you are the only user that sticks out as having some below-the-surface agenda and hiding behind a new account. People in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.

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Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by computerfriend »

DanBC wrote: post #43
computerfriend wrote: post #12

It is amazing to me that, some 300 years after the enlightenment, a very sizeable number of people still don't value free speech.

Post your full name and address.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. But it doesn't seem to be in good faith, whatever it is.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by viridian »

antifa wrote: post #92
_9xrb wrote: post #71

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> to whom everyone right of Mao is fascist. This doesn't sound like an accurate description of a guy who openly critizes Stalin and whines all day about "tankies".

Sounds on brand for most of the Mao flavored anarkiddies I've had the displeasure of running into on reddit. Struggle sessioning other leftists with whom you share 99.9% of doctrine is as much a socialist past time as it is a protestant one.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by sascha_sl »

deepdriver wrote: post #14
ars wrote: post #9

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I was all set to write a comment about how I'm not OK with private companies deciding who can exist on the internet - but then I remembered that all CloudFlare does is caching and DDOS protection. Without CloudFlare the website would still be accessible on the Internet. And to me that makes a big difference.

The implication is that Keffals and friends will DDoS the site out of existence, as they have apparently tried to do numerous times. This is of course criminal but goes unmentioned.

It's not like the IP range of the origin servers isn't known. It's more that Cloudflare is the one thing that makes the site financially viable.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by dmatech »

threatofrain wrote: post #57
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #48

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Those are pretty poor examples of anything. nymag doesn't even get basic facts correctly. If posting bias uninformed hit pieces is all it took to win debates then the world would be a pretty sad place.

The nymag article has many links to archive.org historical versions of the site. People can judge for themselves by looking at the original facts instead of meta-commentary which attempts to summarize over facts. People can also visit Wikipedia for more links. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

If you look at the revision history of this (and related) pages, you'll see plenty of edits by people publicly campaigning for the takedown of that site on Twitter. I wouldn't trust Wikipedia to be unbiased given these conflicts of interest.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #84
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #25

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The problem is that, much like the alleged body count, they do nothing of the sort. See my post above. They don't harass or even troll. It's literally one of the core rules of the site. Look (and laugh) but don't touch! If you ever try to organize something on-site, you'll get down-voted, your post deleted and potentially even banned. Attempting to swat isn't just not allowed on the site, but most members call out ac…

I mean we can look at what happened to Chloe Sagal to see what "look (and laugh) but don't touch" does to people.

Wait, you mean the person who got evicted from their house by the roommates (thrown out of the local trans community) and then killed themselves later that day? Also didn't they literally frame it as a protest of the current mental health system?

It seems very much like you've been reading fud from opportunistic people.. and from the sound of it some of the same people who threw Chloe under the bus the day it happened.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

antifa wrote: post #85
deepdriver wrote: post #13

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> behind the backs of parents and doctors Only behind the backs of their parents. They'd do what an actual doctor suggests if their parents weren't forcing a totalitarian gender ideology on their kids.

Not if they are using DIY drugs!

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

notthisagain2 wrote: post #59
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #46

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Nothing official? It's a literal confirmation of their death by their employer. You're literally all over this thread spreading easily verifiable misinformation, it's frankly just sad. If you had any integrity you'd update your comments to reflect that you were wrong, but of course you won't because you are deliberately lying about the site.

Ah yes, the final most official word on these sorts of things.. a former employer.. "confirmed" through a friend.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

notthisagain2 wrote: post #60
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #30

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Isn't that the guy who faked his own death or something? Pretty sure he was a member of KF and participated in his own thread, a thread that wasn't active for like a half a year before any of this. Did he post any proof that it was KF or examples? Or was it simply assumed like so many other cases? As said before.. Trolling or harassing isn't allowed. ("look don't touch")

Just so people reading this are aware, it's a clear lie that that person "faked his own death or something". As has been posted in another comment, their employer confirmed the death: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/07/23/how-toxic-onli... . I only state it again because this user is spreading deliberate misinformation all over the thread.

A former employer is clearly the most official and important source for these sorts of things. Man do I look stupid.

It's funny how nobody can actually come up with a media report or and actual death registered by japanese officials.. (Yes the japanese and US government track this kind of stuff and even release official reports.. but guess what's missing from the entire quarter in which near is said to have died)

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