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Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by notthisagain2 »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #50
joecool1029 wrote: post #47

Let's be clear: Kiwi Farms is a ball of hate just like the Daily Stormer is. But the reason CF hasn't dropped them is none of the site operators will make the claim Cloudflare are open supporters of Kiwi Farms, while DS's editor decided to be cocky and make these claims. Kiwi Farms operators can always distance itself from members calling for violence and ban the accounts when it gets out of hand, just as Reddit has…

>"Kiwi Farms is a ball of hate just like the Daily Stormer is" Do you have anything to back that up? KF isn't even a political site. >"Just claim Cloudflare are big Kiwi Farms supporters" Which would be an outright lie and easily disproven.

> Do you have anything to back that up? KF isn't even a political site.

I won't link to them, but here are some random threads easily obtained by Googling:

- "Is being a Nazi really that bad?" (Full of comments saying that, no, it isn't that bad, and in fact LGTB people are worse).

- "White Supremacy Megathread" (Thread where every single comment is a full-on racist screech).

- "Why do Kiwi Farms users so racist against blacks?" (Where every single comment tries to justify the racism of the site).

Just to be clear: I don't expect to convince you, because you're clearly lying constantly about the nature of the site in all your comments to defend it. I just want to provide some actual, real context for your lies.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by notthisagain2 »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #48
threatofrain wrote: post #44

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/kiwi-farms-the-webs-... https://www.insider.com/chris-chan-arrest-what-is-kiwifarms-...

Those are pretty poor examples of anything. nymag doesn't even get basic facts correctly. If posting bias uninformed hit pieces is all it took to win debates then the world would be a pretty sad place.

This comment is useless as it is, you can't dispute the veracity of the facts presented in the article without providing any kind of evidence yourself. Please, refrain from posting low-value comments like this one that add nothing to the conversation.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by notthisagain2 »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #25
xupybd wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're organizing swatting then that should be covered under conspiracy to commit a crime https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371 Swatting is incredibly dangerous. I fear many see it as a prank but when you get cops with guns charging into what they think is a dangerous situation then people get hurt. Then you have harassment laws https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/harassment... . There are…

The problem is that, much like the alleged body count, they do nothing of the sort. See my post above. They don't harass or even troll. It's literally one of the core rules of the site. Look (and laugh) but don't touch! If you ever try to organize something on-site, you'll get down-voted, your post deleted and potentially even banned. Attempting to swat isn't just not allowed on the site, but most members call out ac…

> Harassment campaigns by Kiwi Farms users are known to have contributed to the suicides of three individuals.[9] The Kiwi Farms community considers it a goal to drive its targets to suicide, and has celebrated such deaths with a counter on the website.[11]: 55, 61 They have used social media reporting systems to mass-report posts by harassment targets in which they've expressed suicidal thoughts or intentions, with the goal of reducing the possibility their targets receive help.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Harassment

It's kind of funny that you talk about an "alleged body count" when the site literally put up an actual counter of the people whose suicide they encouraged.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by notthisagain2 »

emptyparadise wrote: post #19
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #16

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Did somebody post a link to HN on that site or something?

Yes they did: https://kiwifarms.net/search/15388568/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fnews....

I guess that's part of the reason why there are very specific accounts in this thread promoting obvious misinformation without citing any sources.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by emptyparadise »

deepdriver wrote: post #54
emptyparadise wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DIY estrogen is the most hacker thing I've seen on this website (called Hacker News) for months.

Telling confused children how to buy hormones with Bitcoin, inject themselves without medical supervision, and hide it all from parents isn't praiseworthy.

Hopefully one day the kids will be able to get the care they need without having to bypass the medical system or hide things from their family. Until then, they get to be biopunk.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by xupybd »

emptyparadise wrote: post #65
deepdriver wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling confused children how to buy hormones with Bitcoin, inject themselves without medical supervision, and hide it all from parents isn't praiseworthy.

Hopefully one day the kids will be able to get the care they need without having to bypass the medical system or hide things from their family. Until then, they get to be biopunk.

Would you consider a body builder on gear to be biopunk?

I'm not sure that self medication is a safe concept to be promoting.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by emptyparadise »

xupybd wrote: post #66
emptyparadise wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully one day the kids will be able to get the care they need without having to bypass the medical system or hide things from their family. Until then, they get to be biopunk.

Would you consider a body builder on gear to be biopunk? I'm not sure that self medication is a safe concept to be promoting.

I think ensuring access to proper medical care is the correct way to remove the need to self-medicate.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by deepdriver »

emptyparadise wrote: post #65
deepdriver wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling confused children how to buy hormones with Bitcoin, inject themselves without medical supervision, and hide it all from parents isn't praiseworthy.

Hopefully one day the kids will be able to get the care they need without having to bypass the medical system or hide things from their family. Until then, they get to be biopunk.

This "care" is unnecessary and harmful for most children. Puberty is the cure for most children with body dysphoria; up to 90% of kids who identify as transgender desist from this identity post-puberty. However, effects from "gender-affirming care" like a deepened voice, mastectomy, orchiectomy, hysterectomy, and sterilization are irreversible. The long-term effects of puberty blockers especially are unknown, particularly as they affect adolescent brain development. That's without mentioning the usual risks of blood clots, osteoporosis, mood disorders, and cardiovascular events that can result from hormone treatment even in clinical settings.

In the UK, the Tavistock clinic for youth gender medicine was recently forced to shut over concerns for patient safety, and findings that staff were rushing children into procedures they later regretted:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/04/gender-ident...

The NHS-commissioned Cass Report details the many risks and gaps of evidence underlying youth transition:

https://cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/0...

Former patients are now coming forward to tell how they were harmed:

https://www.persuasion.community/p/keira-bell-my-story

In the US, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine is attempting to spread this knowledge among practitioners:

https://segm.org/

This issue is highly ideological and politicized on both sides. Suggesting medical transition for any minor is not currently supported by the evidence. National health systems like Sweden's have banned it outside clinical trials. Instructing minors to attempt it themselves without medical or psychological evaluation or monitoring is reckless in the extreme. Doing it for sexual gratification, as some are in Keffals' case, is monstrous.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by nathanaldensr »

deepdriver wrote: post #68
emptyparadise wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully one day the kids will be able to get the care they need without having to bypass the medical system or hide things from their family. Until then, they get to be biopunk.

This "care" is unnecessary and harmful for most children. Puberty is the cure for most children with body dysphoria; up to 90% of kids who identify as transgender desist from this identity post-puberty. However, effects from "gender-affirming care" like a deepened voice, mastectomy, orchiectomy, hysterectomy, and sterilization are irreversible. The long-term effects of puberty blockers especially are unknown, particu…

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Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by deepdriver »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #69
deepdriver wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "care" is unnecessary and harmful for most children. Puberty is the cure for most children with body dysphoria; up to 90% of kids who identify as transgender desist from this identity post-puberty. However, effects from "gender-affirming care" like a deepened voice, mastectomy, orchiectomy, hysterectomy, and sterilization are irreversible. The long-term effects of puberty blockers especially are unknown, particu…

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