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Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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You probably aren't meaning to, but you're spreading outright lies that always originate with people who are mad at the Kiwis. This is just plain made up. Maybe you're thinking of 4chan circa 2004. Maybe you think all internet trolls are one big community. I don't know. The problem is that just about nobody outside of KF has any reason at all to know anything about them, besides what they hear second hand from people…

My only actual experience with them is their refusal to remove video of my country men getting violently murdered. While I don't think they should have been forced to do that it was the right thing to do. The families should have been given that respect. Anything outside of that I'll admit I'm probably wrong or at best uninformed. I have no doubt that in this day and age they're being attacked in bad faith by the med…

I can certainly understand how that would be upsetting. I'm sure you understand that KF isn't about respecting.... anybody. At all. They are as irreverent as anything I've ever seen.

But yes, they're attacked almost exclusively in bad faith by everybody. Everybody. As soon as somebody says "There's a website dedicated to making trans people commit suicide!" in this our Age of Outrage, there is a part of most people that wants to believe it immediately.

Which really makes me wonder why the media doesn't stick to reporting on what they actually say and do. Why isn't that bad enough? It would still make everyone mad.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Read this Twitter thread from one of Kiwi Farms’ victims. https://mobile.twitter.com/near_koukai/status/14089868397430...

Isn't that the guy who faked his own death or something? Pretty sure he was a member of KF and participated in his own thread, a thread that wasn't active for like a half a year before any of this. Did he post any proof that it was KF or examples? Or was it simply assumed like so many other cases? As said before.. Trolling or harassing isn't allowed. ("look don't touch")

No, they did not fake their own death. This is trivially verifiable with a quick search.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/07/23/how-toxic-onl...

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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FTA: > People on Twitter, as well as Sorrenti, claimed that the official Cloudflare account hid replies on its tweets related to dropping Kiwi Farms, and then deleted tweets that were ratioed by people talking about the campaign. Cloudflare’s Twitter account normally posted at least daily before this week, but hasn’t tweeted in four days, as of writing. What is the meaning of “ratioed” in this sentence?

Cloudflare posts a tweet defending their action and it gets some likes.

Keffals posts a reply tweet telling CF to drop KiwiFarms and that reply gets very many more likes than CloudFlare's original tweet.

The ratio of likes is what's referred to as "ratioed".

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that the guy who faked his own death or something? Pretty sure he was a member of KF and participated in his own thread, a thread that wasn't active for like a half a year before any of this. Did he post any proof that it was KF or examples? Or was it simply assumed like so many other cases? As said before.. Trolling or harassing isn't allowed. ("look don't touch")

No, they did not fake their own death. This is trivially verifiable with a quick search. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/07/23/how-toxic-onl...

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Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Let's be clear: Kiwi Farms is a ball of hate just like the Daily Stormer is. But the reason CF hasn't dropped them is none of the site operators will make the claim Cloudflare are open supporters of Kiwi Farms, while DS's editor decided to be cocky and make these claims. Kiwi Farms operators can always distance itself from members calling for violence and ban the accounts when it gets out of hand, just as Reddit has done in the past.

Cloudflare CEO's own words: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/

In short: Just claim Cloudflare are big Kiwi Farms supporters as many places you go. Eventually Matthew's ego will get bruised enough and the site will get taken down in another arbitrary manner.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/kiwi-farms-the-webs-... https://www.insider.com/chris-chan-arrest-what-is-kiwifarms-...

Those are pretty poor examples of anything. nymag doesn't even get basic facts correctly. If posting bias uninformed hit pieces is all it took to win debates then the world would be a pretty sad place.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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despite cloudflare claiming to be neutral it has deplatformed in the past and can do so again

I was all set to write a comment about how I'm not OK with private companies deciding who can exist on the internet - but then I remembered that all CloudFlare does is caching and DDOS protection. Without CloudFlare the website would still be accessible on the Internet. And to me that makes a big difference.

The owner of Kiwifarms, Joshua Moon has written an article about why being dropped by CloudFlare would he a huge threat to the site [0]

[0]: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-end...

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Let's be clear: Kiwi Farms is a ball of hate just like the Daily Stormer is. But the reason CF hasn't dropped them is none of the site operators will make the claim Cloudflare are open supporters of Kiwi Farms, while DS's editor decided to be cocky and make these claims. Kiwi Farms operators can always distance itself from members calling for violence and ban the accounts when it gets out of hand, just as Reddit has…

>"Kiwi Farms is a ball of hate just like the Daily Stormer is"

Do you have anything to back that up? KF isn't even a political site.

>"Just claim Cloudflare are big Kiwi Farms supporters"

Which would be an outright lie and easily disproven.

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