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> They don't harass or even troll.
The site already has a body count, this is ridiculous thing to say.
People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms
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#22despite cloudflare claiming to be neutral it has deplatformed in the past and can do so again
I was all set to write a comment about how I'm not OK with private companies deciding who can exist on the internet - but then I remembered that all CloudFlare does is caching and DDOS protection. Without CloudFlare the website would still be accessible on the Internet. And to me that makes a big difference.
You are aware that DDOSAs are illegal, and that KF doesn't do anything legally even questionable right?
CF is an infrastructure service company and thus are the very LAST people who should be picking and choosing.. not if we want the net to keep working freely.
Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms
#23Kiwi Farms is a horrible abomination. One of the worst cesspits on the internet. They were sharing videos of the Christchurch massacre right after it happened. As a New Zealander it felt doubly disrespectful that they'd share that and use the name Kiwi. All of that said I respect Cloudflare staying neutral on this. Free speech is only free if we defend the speech we hate the most. Free speech has a bad name today but…
What laws do they break?
If they're organizing swatting then that should be covered under conspiracy to commit a crime https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371
Swatting is incredibly dangerous. I fear many see it as a prank but when you get cops with guns charging into what they think is a dangerous situation then people get hurt.
Then you have harassment laws https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/harassment.... There are specific Cyberstalking laws.
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> They don't harass or even troll. The site already has a body count, this is ridiculous thing to say.
An alleged body count.. by mostly the very same people who try to get them shut down and continually DDOS them. Even the claims themselves are spurious at best. Blamed for deaths of people who weren't even talked about on the site for months and months, over publicly available information. (and in many cases their own posting history on SM)
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What laws do they break?
If they're organizing swatting then that should be covered under conspiracy to commit a crime https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371 Swatting is incredibly dangerous. I fear many see it as a prank but when you get cops with guns charging into what they think is a dangerous situation then people get hurt. Then you have harassment laws https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/harassment... . There are…
The problem is that, much like the alleged body count, they do nothing of the sort. See my post above.
They don't harass or even troll. It's literally one of the core rules of the site. Look (and laugh) but don't touch! If you ever try to organize something on-site, you'll get down-voted, your post deleted and potentially even banned. Attempting to swat isn't just not allowed on the site, but most members call out actual attempts as stupid, dangerous and evil!
Posting publicly available info and then pointing and laughing, is not stalking or harassment.
Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they're organizing swatting then that should be covered under conspiracy to commit a crime https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371 Swatting is incredibly dangerous. I fear many see it as a prank but when you get cops with guns charging into what they think is a dangerous situation then people get hurt. Then you have harassment laws https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/harassment... . There are…
The problem is that, much like the alleged body count, they do nothing of the sort. See my post above. They don't harass or even troll. It's literally one of the core rules of the site. Look (and laugh) but don't touch! If you ever try to organize something on-site, you'll get down-voted, your post deleted and potentially even banned. Attempting to swat isn't just not allowed on the site, but most members call out ac…
I'm going on the article above. It alleges that crimes have been committed. If there is no crime that is great and they might have a reasonable claim to libel.
I guess my point is that any action against them should be for specific crimes committed by law enforcement. Not de-platforming by an angry mob. The nice thing about falling back on the justice system is you need to prove your claims. So if there is no crime here then there is no action required against Kiwi Farms. But if there is then there is a valid path to justice that doesn't involve the mob getting their way without any due process.
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Read this Twitter thread from one of Kiwi Farms’ victims. https://mobile.twitter.com/near_koukai/status/14089868397430...
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The problem is that, much like the alleged body count, they do nothing of the sort. See my post above. They don't harass or even troll. It's literally one of the core rules of the site. Look (and laugh) but don't touch! If you ever try to organize something on-site, you'll get down-voted, your post deleted and potentially even banned. Attempting to swat isn't just not allowed on the site, but most members call out ac…
I'm going on the article above. It alleges that crimes have been committed. If there is no crime that is great and they might have a reasonable claim to libel. I guess my point is that any action against them should be for specific crimes committed by law enforcement. Not de-platforming by an angry mob. The nice thing about falling back on the justice system is you need to prove your claims. So if there is no crime h…
I get what you're saying now. Truly criminal actions should always be investigated and nobody should get favorites. It's funny how the people and media pushing these narratives here fail to mention the full logic of their arguments.. CF provides DDOS protection, they want KF to lose that protection so the DDOS attacks that are going on even now, take the site offline. That is literally the entire goal of this CF demand... To make the site susceptible to unquestionably illegal DDOS attacks which they know authorities don't and wouldn't lift a finger to stop/punish.
You also have to remember where those claims are coming from.. Vice isn't exactly the most unbias or trustworthy source. Just barely above clickbait in quality and more overtly political on these types of issues.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was all set to write a comment about how I'm not OK with private companies deciding who can exist on the internet - but then I remembered that all CloudFlare does is caching and DDOS protection. Without CloudFlare the website would still be accessible on the Internet. And to me that makes a big difference.
The implication is that Keffals and friends will DDoS the site out of existence, as they have apparently tried to do numerous times. This is of course criminal but goes unmentioned.
Requests made as part of a ddos are as free as any other form of speech. A lot of people don't like to admit it, but it's true.
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Read this Twitter thread from one of Kiwi Farms’ victims. https://mobile.twitter.com/near_koukai/status/14089868397430...
Isn't that the guy who faked his own death or something? Pretty sure he was a member of KF and participated in his own thread, a thread that wasn't active for like a half a year before any of this. Did he post any proof that it was KF or examples? Or was it simply assumed like so many other cases?
As said before.. Trolling or harassing isn't allowed. ("look don't touch")