That site is much worse than this article makes it sound (and it sounds bad). Here's a little more: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236...
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#72Unless they are breaking a law, an actual law not a moral one, then I think it’s abhorrent for Cloudflare to get in to the mob.
Is there no service provider that is a free-speech absolutist? Maybe someone needs to start that service. Unless you’re breaking an actual law, not a moral law, then you should be able to build your service and have a website.
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These guys? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms If their availability suffers a little, it doesn't seem like a grave loss for the internet. It's not like there's a world-wide shortage of websites.
That isn't how free speech or net neutrality works. Intimidating websites you don't like off the Internet, which is what Keffals et al are doing by trying to remove this site's DDoS protection so they can illegally force them offline, is corrosive to all types of online speech period. If KiwiFarms breaks the law, then by all means take down the website. Secondarily, I don't see anyone else-- journalists, politicians,…
It’s almost like a mob creating an environment so violent that the police can no longer maintain control so they withdraw, leaving the citizens and the businesses to burn…
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This is pretty funny. Also, you've misspelled journalist.
He did journalism at one time. He’s a been a violent partisan activist for a while now. I see he’s still making the podcast.
If you agree with Evans that burning police stations, courthouses, and condos with people inside is cool, as he and many others attempted in Portland for weeks in 2020, just say so. That’s actual violence, not whatever Internet trolls are doing on a message board.
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Requests made as part of a ddos are as free as any other form of speech. A lot of people don't like to admit it, but it's true.
Absolutely wrong, DDoS attacks are illegal under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, section 1030(a)(5): https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R46536.pdf
There's a lot of things we should be able to say but can't. Confusing what we can speak and should be able to speak is an error in thinking.
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Requests made as part of a ddos are as free as any other form of speech. A lot of people don't like to admit it, but it's true.
Is it? I'm one of those free speech people, I think, but I do recognize that some 'speech' is harassment when combined with action. Not because of the content, but because you're intending to disrupt somebody, such as following them around all day and yelling. DDoS seems like that. Doesn't it? I mean you're not even saying anything. It's like saying throwing rocks at a window is speech. "What? I'm just trying to say…
As an absolutist, this line of thinking just doesn't have a stopping point. Speech acts are inherently violent. There is no line to draw.
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>This is why KiwiFarms users dislike them.
Given their history of harassing trans people for much, much less, I think this is an extremely charitable assessment.
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Hopefully one day the kids will be able to get the care they need without having to bypass the medical system or hide things from their family. Until then, they get to be biopunk.
This "care" is unnecessary and harmful for most children. Puberty is the cure for most children with body dysphoria; up to 90% of kids who identify as transgender desist from this identity post-puberty. However, effects from "gender-affirming care" like a deepened voice, mastectomy, orchiectomy, hysterectomy, and sterilization are irreversible. The long-term effects of puberty blockers especially are unknown, particu…
>This issue is highly ideological and politicized on both sides. Suggesting medical transition for any minor is not currently supported by the evidence.
Neither is conversion therapy, but SEGM happily associates itself with advocates for it , along with evangelical organizations. Indeed, such advocates are found among 'expert witnesses' in the Tavistock case. Maybe Vice should report on these associations. Maybe people who are just deeply concerned about child welfare should pay attention to them, too.