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Post by beckingz »

aidenn0 wrote: post #144
yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

What always boggled my mind is we allow students to come study in the University system, but then when they graduate send them away. I suspect a platform of "We will train foreigners to enrich their homelands" wouldn't get much popular support, but it's the de-facto rule we live under.

University system is an export. We can't export it if they stay.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

nine_zeros wrote: post #138
hunterb123 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the processing time for European countries? What would your ideal processing time be that wouldn't be "criminal"?

> What is the processing time for European countries? EU is not one country. Some countries have better timelines than others. > What would your ideal processing time be that wouldn't be "criminal"? My ideal would be asap. Make the decision quick. If you want to deny most applications, deny it. But do it quick.

Slow denials is a feature not a bug of immigration systems. Fast denials with systems that allow retries just quickly get backlogs of people applying again after finding a quick fix to the rejection reason, which makes it harder to give proper time to new applicants who may be more eligible.

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Post by pastor_bob »

dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

> Interviews over there are insanely competitive.

Why is it then that it's common understanding that Indian teams are usually bad? Why are they so difficult to deal with and why do they produce bad code?

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Post by bcrosby95 »

solveit wrote: post #155
aidenn0 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What always boggled my mind is we allow students to come study in the University system, but then when they graduate send them away. I suspect a platform of "We will train foreigners to enrich their homelands" wouldn't get much popular support, but it's the de-facto rule we live under.

The mental model many people seem to have is "foreigners will pay us exorbitant amounts of tuition for a prestigious diploma, and education isn't actually valuable so we might as well send them back home". And it's only mildly surprising people think this way. The median American does seem to go through an educational system that takes all their money and gives them a diploma without actually providing valuable exper…

This is a weird take considering most states offer tuition breaks for people that live in that state. If this is really how people felt about these schools you would think they would be boycotting their mere existence considering they cost a lot of state tax dollars to fund.

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Post by dudul »

Taniwha wrote: post #171
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #164

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What is stopping people from becoming citizens?

These days an H1B is the first step towards getting a green card, which in turn is the step towards citizenship

It is possible to petition for a green card without an h1b. Actually I wonder why in this story, Microsoft didn't sponsor an employment based GC.

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Post by ALittleLight »

FredPret wrote: post #212
ALittleLight wrote: post #150

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Canada's immigration system favors engineers and skilled professionals. As the comment I was replying to put it this is a way for rich countries, like Canada, to drain the resources of poorer countries. This process benefits you, because you prefer to live in Canada compared to your home country, and it benefits Canada, because they get more professionals, but it hurts your home country who loses professionals.

What do Canada, and I, owe my home country? Arguing I should stay there because I was born there is not even just nativism, it implies countries own their citizens as property. This idea would set the whole world back. If they wanted me to stay, they could have tried harder to create a nice environment for smart people there.

This is simply an improved version of colonization - rich countries extracting resources from the poor. Only now, the rich countries don't have to bother with the maintenance of the poor countries - they just drain the valuable citizens and leave the rest.

As to what you, or Canada, owe your home country - this is a nonsense question. Either there are moral obligations between people or there aren't. If there are, then the rich taking from the poor (Canada importing professionals) or the relatively well off abandoning their poor countrymen (professionals departing their homeland for better lives in rich countries) are likely failing those moral obligations. If there are no moral obligations you owe nothing but neither is anyone else obliged to not point out the resource extraction.

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Post by dudul »

throwawsy wrote: post #114

Most of the top talented engineers i met at meetups are commited to build companies in India. Defence, Infra, Fintech, Medical, Space and Drug sectors are the ones most popular. we are going see future unicorns from these sectors.

How do you identify a "top talented engineer" at a meet up? It could be a useful trick for interview.

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Post by jldugger »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #224
solveit wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mental model many people seem to have is "foreigners will pay us exorbitant amounts of tuition for a prestigious diploma, and education isn't actually valuable so we might as well send them back home". And it's only mildly surprising people think this way. The median American does seem to go through an educational system that takes all their money and gives them a diploma without actually providing valuable exper…

This is a weird take considering most states offer tuition breaks for people that live in that state. If this is really how people felt about these schools you would think they would be boycotting their mere existence considering they cost a lot of state tax dollars to fund.

I mean, its a complicated and slow process. State funding of colleges has been on decline for ages -- every time a recession hits the university system gets another budget cut but its rare to see the cuts restored when the economy recovers.

Meanwhile the median voter is probably more excited about college sports than college degrees.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

dataexporter wrote: post #216
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean we send them away? Should we hold them against their will? If they want to stay there are ways to stay.

I am not sure if you are responding with actual information or just anecdata. There are hundreds of thousands of students who actually want to work in the US but are unable to (and are sent back) because of H1B Visa lotteries and archaic green card processes.

I'm not saying the US immigration system is perfect but there were apparently 855,000 new naturalized citizens in 2021. Somebody is figuring it out.

Also- the US doesn't owe everybody a citizenship.

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Post by iLoveOncall »

didip wrote: post #74
aldebran wrote: post #16

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This is unfortunately still the case. H1B lottery is still a thing. I had to lose a team member and the person saw a similar email in their inbox. Sucks!

The lottery is still a thing but not for India and China.

I think you are talking about the Green Card lottery which doesn't allow certains countries that have had too many immigrants in the past 7 (I think) years. The H1-B lottery doesn't have country limitations.
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