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Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by pyb »

ALittleLight wrote: post #61
petilon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the long term, does it make a difference in US if it doesn't bring talent across the world? Of course, it does! The only reason the standard of living in the US is higher than anywhere else in the world is because the US makes stuff the rest of the world covets. America is the leading economy in the world today not because it has the most number of people, but because it has the best and the brightest, gathered…

I think there are several countries, across North and Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, perhaps Singapore and Hong Kong, that could compete with the US for "standard of living". These countries don't have similar immigration policies or histories compared to the US. If you think of a person who builds a unicorn as a national level resource, which makes sense because they create jobs, capabilities, and w…

All of the countries you cited have a lot of immigrants.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by frontman1988 »

amf12 wrote: post #110
eldaisfish wrote: post #60

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be careful generalising india because anything that one can claim, the opposite is also true. A major reason countries like the USA and the UK flourish is stability. Stability is not something india has and that is a very difficult thing to put a price on. Indian capital markets are not transparent though that is less of an issue for startups. What should be telling is the number of "Indian" startups that are registe…

> their healthcare system is cheap but kills millions every year due to medical negligence. This is a problem money can solve though. If you have the money, you can get pretty good medical care in India. "cheap but kills millions" isn't really a problem faced by most people who have the money to afford it. > The US healthcare system - for all its flaws - has some of the best outcomes provided you have enough money to…

Healthcare in India also has one very negative aspect which is that more than half of the doctors have qualified due to some form of caste based affirmative action. More than 50% seats in Indian Medical colleges are reserved for "lower castes." It's much easier for a less hard working/bright student to get into the college if he belongs to the lower caste which reduces the quality of doctors so much that a lot of people refuse to get treated by doctors who have lower caste surnames. Atleast in America you are guaranteed you have mostly competent folks treating you, hard to do that in India without doing background checks on the caste of the doctor as well.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by nine_zeros »

outside1234 wrote: post #128
nine_zeros wrote: post #120

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> The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism? The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. It is not a numbers game. If you can attract the best, you need to let them thrive instead of enslaving them.

Are you referring to the 7% cap on the number of people that can get a green card from any one country in a calendar year?

> Are you referring to the 7% cap on the number of people that can get a green card from any one country in a calendar year?

No. I am talking about the constant asking for paperwork, processing times that vary from 2 months to over 2 years and preventing people from traveling to their home countries, lest they get locked out.

This is how criminals are treated.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by spoonjim »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #125

Over 99.99% of rejected H1B applicants do not build unicorns back home. What is the point here? Let them all in in case one of them makes a unicorn? This is rock people thinking on the level of "every aborted baby could have become the next Mozart".

Maybe shut down the southern border and instead admit more H1Bs? And use some judgment instead of a lottery. Someone who's been a manager at Microsoft is obviously a better bet than a TCS bodyshopper.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by anukin »

dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

Even though it can be agreed that coming back to India is a good option for most many Indians, it is also to be noted that Indian political games within Indian orgs make it super hard to do anything. IMO the only reason to go back to India should be to start on your own with your trusted friends. If you think you can work in India and contribute positively think again.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by hunterb123 »

nine_zeros wrote: post #133
outside1234 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the 7% cap on the number of people that can get a green card from any one country in a calendar year?

> Are you referring to the 7% cap on the number of people that can get a green card from any one country in a calendar year? No. I am talking about the constant asking for paperwork, processing times that vary from 2 months to over 2 years and preventing people from traveling to their home countries, lest they get locked out. This is how criminals are treated.

What is the processing time for European countries?

What would your ideal processing time be that wouldn't be "criminal"?

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by nine_zeros »

hunterb123 wrote: post #129
nine_zeros wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism? The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. It is not a numbers game. If you can attract the best, you need to let them thrive instead of enslaving them.

> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relevant and it's just an emotional statement. Compare the length and rate to other countries for an actual assessment. A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. I'm talking about the amount of immigrants tak…

> Most countries I've looked into take up to 10 years.

The set of countries you want to compare with are the countries that claim they want to welcome immigrants. You don't want to compare with countries that you like but are hostile.

America claims to be immigrant friendly but compared to other immigrant friendly nations, the process is brutal and eats away entire lives.

> A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average.

This is misinformation as citizenship petition N-400 is merely the last step. This does not count the time for green card before this. Getting a green card could take 3-10 years. Then, they'd need to remain a permanent resident for 5 years before they can even apply for citizenship.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by nine_zeros »

hunterb123 wrote: post #136
nine_zeros wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you referring to the 7% cap on the number of people that can get a green card from any one country in a calendar year? No. I am talking about the constant asking for paperwork, processing times that vary from 2 months to over 2 years and preventing people from traveling to their home countries, lest they get locked out. This is how criminals are treated.

What is the processing time for European countries? What would your ideal processing time be that wouldn't be "criminal"?

> What is the processing time for European countries?

EU is not one country. Some countries have better timelines than others.

> What would your ideal processing time be that wouldn't be "criminal"?

My ideal would be asap. Make the decision quick. If you want to deny most applications, deny it. But do it quick.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by weatherlite »

sremani wrote: post #119
weatherlite wrote: post #82

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India is getting Russian oil pretty cheap now as far as I know, and most likely Iran as well. The U.S is not immune to the energy problem btw, Shale oil is getting more expensive because all the easy spots were already used.

I cannot argue here. What would go wrong, if Russian Oil and Gas are foundational to your Energy Security. Let me call Angela Merkel.

It's very unlikely Russia will do anything to mess up what they have going with China and India...because they don't have much other alternatives. I am not talking morals here ... I am calling it as it is. This has nothing to do with morals.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by anukin »

noufalibrahim wrote: post #78

This is definitely an inspiring story but isn't it an isolated data point? On average, the US has a lot of things going for it for a young software professional if he or she can navigate the immigration maze and is reasonably lucky. Might not be for everyone but for the average person, getting a cushy job in a large company might be better for stability and long term satisfaction that risking it on an attempt to crea…

Its an extremely isolated data point. He was born rich. Had the money and privilege to do coaching to go to an elite Indian engineering college. Went to US from there. When he came back his buddies from college where VCs. They funded him. His startup collapsed terribly even after so much of luck, privilege and funding. So now he gives outdated gyaan(wisdom) in Twitter.
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