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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by thies226j »

runjake wrote: post #274
tmikaeld wrote: post #106

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Where? I have several Macs in my office, I might have seen a question on upgrade, but that's it. In Safari?

Not the commenter but macOS regularly spams people with: - Ads to try Apple Music free for a month. - Ads to try News+ - Ads to try Fitness+ - Try Safari (if it’s not your default browser) - Try/log into iCloud if you’re not logged into iCloud. - Try the latest macOS release if you aren’t on it. As an aside, you do not want to even log into the Mac App Store with a personal account on a work computer. Logging into ju…

I am a macOS user and have never seen a popup or ads for News+, fitness+ or Apple Music.

In addition to that, what personal data are you talking about in your last paragraph?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by imron »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #470
imron wrote: post #450

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> I always found docker as a dev environment rather painful. I’ve found the following to work quite well: Have a docker compose file setup that runs a container with all the necessary build tools and anything else. Map home directories, /opt and anything else you want to persist as named volumes. Run docker compose up -d Use the remote development extension of vscode to connect to the container and develop almost as…

vscode's remote dev is indeed god-tier. I love vscode.

I’m not a huge fan of vscode (speaking as a c++ dev), but remote dev is a killer feature so I use it over other alternatives.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by bodhiandphysics »

pjmlp wrote: post #299
bodhiandphysics wrote: post #285

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I’m sure mac was a wonderful dev environment for developing Mac GUI apps. But was it a wonderful dev environment for developing high performance numerical code? Or web servers? Or robotics? Or... Most developers don’t write GUI apps.

Plenty of developers always wrote applications for the Mac platform. As for numerical software, Mathematica and Matlab always had a place on the Mac. What is about all that craziness to equate "developer" with UNIX?

Matlab is a useful tool. But you don’t write a fem silver in matlab! And matlab came to the Mac only after the switch to Unix.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by dmz73 »

chongli wrote: post #110
lbwtaylor wrote: post #96

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Apple constantly spams you with popup ads for their cloud services, far worse IMHO than any start menu nonsense. To each their own.

I’m paying like $4/mo for iCloud storage. All my files are backed up there. I don’t get any ads. Is there an option like that on Windows?

OneDrive and it's free. Never seen an ad in Windows system itself. Switch to Windows and Save! :)

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by dmz73 »

chongli wrote: post #201
Lio wrote: post #192

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Fair enough but if I decline once why does it need to keep nagging me to upgrade? Likewise, if I just want to play music, and I decline the free introductory offer of an Apple Music subscription, why does it keep offering? Like newsletter popups, having something get between me and what I want to do is annoying. It’s the creeping “Not right now” , “Maybe later” , “We’ll in your face again after a random timer” bullsh…

I agree with you in principle. I just take exception to the claim that this is somehow worse than Windows where you have pervasive 3rd party ads (including telemetry) and no way to opt out. Frankly, I am rather pessimistic with the industry as a whole. Problems never seem to stay solved. There is constant churn, constant disruption of workflow and UI patterns. Constant change for its own sake and no reflection on wha…

I haven't seen an ad in in Windows system so far. Onedrive is MS cloud and backs up your files for free. Mac has full on telemetry where it logs every program you use every time you use it amd may stop you from using it. Apple is building the biggest add network in the world and it needs captive audience for it, Mac will be small fish there but it will be locked inand down just like the iPhone or ipad.

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Post by what-imright »

zeppelin101 wrote: post #367
what-imright wrote: post #140

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my answer was everything - you miss the entire computing experience if you use windows or linux on desktop today or android on mobile. In 2022, if you aren’t using Apple you’re in the red. You might as well not have bothered. Windows is worse than nothing. Android is worse than nothing. Linux is awesome for servers, but the desktop experience isn’t quite there. I’ve used all the platforms. Windows and android are inc…

Have you ever heard of something called "hyperbole"?

Just trying to help really. Using the wrong products has done a great deal of damage to me. Using windows instead of a nix back in the day blocked my progress. Android shares a number of windows like traits. Being a commercial imitation of an Apple product for instance. Or serving the user last. Or just being crap software full of bugs.

If you can't listen, your punishment is to keep using imitation product. Harsh. But it is what it is.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by GekkePrutser »

runjake wrote: post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

Why does the world need to move on? The world needs desktop computers. Phones and even tablets are useless for doing actual work.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by GekkePrutser »

I think Apple is just not interested anymore in selling general computing. It's not where the big dollars are.

It's not that general computing isn't worth doing right. Many people still need to create deep content instead of consuming it or at best create some mindless tiktok nothingness.

And it illustrates the problem with opinionated design. If the designer's opinions don't correspond to your own, it's not useful anymore.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by GekkePrutser »

firecall wrote: post #189
nbzso wrote: post #35

Apple should accept the old Mac OS X HIG principles and make them mandatory. The UX is so broken, that in some moments I have Windows Vista reminiscence. But hey, I am an old user. I should move away and say: Yes Apple, you know better than me.:)

It's not Vista bad! LOL Stage Manager is a disaster though! Like, really horrible as a desktop macOS feature IMHO. I feel like Apple are trying to shoehorn bad iPad features into macOS to unify them. Instead of making iPadOS more like macOS and therefore more useful generally. I dont know - something is screwed up in Apple's strategic thinking. They admitted as much though with their back-to-the-mac push a few years…

"App wants to access documents / network / blablah" kinda is.

I'm not saying controls on such behaviour are not useful. What is bad is dumping a truckload of popups on the user.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by MichaelZuo »

lapcat wrote: post #255
1-6 wrote: post #61

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I think Apple has already sailed the seas of no return. Another company that puts users first will eventually arise and take its place. Life is a cycle of highs and lows. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

Microsoft and Apple, the duopoly who control nearly 100% of the consumer desktop OS market, were both founded in the 1970s. In comparison, Google was a relative "newcomer" in the late 1990s. Google and Apple control nearly 100% of the consumer mobile OS market. There are no challengers. 3 companies own all of personal computing. Oh yeah, these companies also collectively control the web browsers: Chrome, Safari, Edge…

What about Huawei?

If they play their cards right...

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