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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by duncanc4 »

cc101 wrote: post #85

I'm facing a bitter conflict with Mac App Review. I feel so poorly about this that I can't sleep, and my mind is in turmoil. After 37 years writing Mac software, I'm wondering if there is anything left of the Mac and of the Apple spirit that made such a difference in my life. I hate to give up my current work (5 years and 13,000 lines of code), but in a sense it would be liberating to be free of Apple.

I have been a Mac and iOS developer for 7 years now and am moving away. I feel like Apple treats developers really poorly from App Review process to forced updates of your hardware/OS/Xcode.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by firecall »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #2

This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. One language, one gui framework, and one API paradigm - unified across all contextual devices - is exactly what Apple should do. SwiftUI is not it by any means, but to say that the idea of SwiftUI tries to achieve is a bad aim is completely wrong. The aim of UIKit on all Apple devices is 100% correct; and allows developers to go deep into the API forest to create mystical…

It's a bit of big claim to say that Steve Troughton-Smith has no idea what he is talking about.

He's not just 'this guy'. STS deserves more respect and credit for his opinions than that.

Others may not agree with him, but he does know what he is talking about! :-)

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ricardobayes »

llanowarelves wrote: post #169
lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

I agree. In my experience, Windows "just works". And when it comes to working on graphics-intensive applications, and using commercial software packages it's a shoo-in.

For all the hate MS gets, windows 11 is pretty much perfect. Never had any issues with it whatsoever. Even teams runs well on it, not so much on Mac from what I hear. "I can't share my screen" "Teams has crashed" I would be furious if my 2k EUR Mac couldn't run a chat app.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by firecall »

account-5 wrote: post #152

I first used a computer in 2005-ish. Started with Windows XP. I quickly moved to Ubuntu in maybe 2006 after reading a book about free software, of which I had no knowledge. I've been using Linux at home and windows at work ever since. I've never thought the apple premium was worth the cost especially when I could use decade old hardware (cheap) perfectly fine with modern operating systems. All this being said, every…

"When I'm using it I have to Google how to do simple stuff like copy and paste."

Really? everytime? :-)

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ricardobayes »

geysersam wrote: post #131
drawingthesun wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

Used Ubuntu for almost a decade now. Wouldn't call myself a tinkerer with respect to the OS, the defaults are totally fine. Drivers are rarely an issue ime. Maybe things have become better since last you tried?

I somehow found bluetooth and sounds in general to be the achilles heel of Ubuntu. Both installations I have/had in my family either sound stopped overnight or bluetooth didn't work anymore after an update.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ricardobayes »

chongli wrote: post #110
lbwtaylor wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple constantly spams you with popup ads for their cloud services, far worse IMHO than any start menu nonsense. To each their own.

I’m paying like $4/mo for iCloud storage. All my files are backed up there. I don’t get any ads. Is there an option like that on Windows?

I like to save that 48 dollars per year and just use the free tier of google drive.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by Darthy »

lastangryman wrote: post #149
grapeskin wrote: post #143

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1 is preference. 2 is something I haven’t experienced. I guess maybe you’re using low resolution monitors? I find Windows to be incredibly blurry or text painfully sharp. 3 is something where I think the Mac mindset is to not really use full screen windows. I personally always have part of my desktop visible and most Mac users I’ve seen in the wild seem to do the same. Probably a consequence of the drag and drop mind…

Of course, it's all preference, I'm not making a case to say it's objectively bad, just I find it inferior. The monitor is a ultrawide LG that works perfectly on windows. A Google for "blurry text external monitor MacBook Pro" turns up many people with the same issue (edit: it's a 1440p monitor) Thanks for the finder tip, that will help.

Maybe you're refering to subpixel rendering, which Windows still has, but has ben phased out on Mac with the introduction of retina displays? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering#OS_X

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ricardobayes »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #128
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #104

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nothing. you're probably saving a lot of money, something objectively true. fwiw safari is the no 1 worst browser i have ever used, as a developer. it's hot garbage. not the renderer, the browser itself and its dev tools. plus you need an apple account and a 10 trillion gb xcode install just to port your chrome extension to safari, what a joke. and every couple of years apple decides to drop backwards compatibility f…

Yes, Safari is piss-poor for 2022.

Seriously, how hard is it to implement look-behind regexes? If you have even one in your code, the page will crash in Safari. https://caniuse.com/js-regexp-lookbehind

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by firecall »

nbzso wrote: post #35

Apple should accept the old Mac OS X HIG principles and make them mandatory. The UX is so broken, that in some moments I have Windows Vista reminiscence. But hey, I am an old user. I should move away and say: Yes Apple, you know better than me.:)

It's not Vista bad! LOL

Stage Manager is a disaster though!

Like, really horrible as a desktop macOS feature IMHO.

I feel like Apple are trying to shoehorn bad iPad features into macOS to unify them. Instead of making iPadOS more like macOS and therefore more useful generally.

I dont know - something is screwed up in Apple's strategic thinking.

They admitted as much though with their back-to-the-mac push a few years back.

Shrug.

I've been using Macs since the mid-80s, and i'm very conflicted.

The experience isn't the same anymore, for me But then the computing world isn't the same, and my needs aren't the same.

I used to customise and feel a personal connection to my Mac. Now they are interchangeable and disposable. Like servers, they are cattle not pets.

The new M1 Macbooks are amazing though and we've never had it better in many ways.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by GordonS »

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

It's not just you.

I regularly use both Windows and MacOS, though I started with Windows king before MacOS... and I just fine MacOS so unintuitive, ugly and clunky!

Also, it regularly crashes when plugging/unplugging an external monitor. Actually, it crashes every now and then for no discernable reason too - feels like Windows back in the day when BSOD was common!

And not MacOS' fault, but I absolutely loathe my MBP's touchpad! Even on the highest sensitivity setting, presses take too much force. And it just feels... weird. Nothing I can put my finger on, but using it still feels unnatural somehow. Plus, it regularly registers phantom touches, which is incredibly irritating.

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