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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

ricardobayes wrote: post #183
llanowarelves wrote: post #169

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I agree. In my experience, Windows "just works". And when it comes to working on graphics-intensive applications, and using commercial software packages it's a shoo-in.

For all the hate MS gets, windows 11 is pretty much perfect. Never had any issues with it whatsoever. Even teams runs well on it, not so much on Mac from what I hear. "I can't share my screen" "Teams has crashed" I would be furious if my 2k EUR Mac couldn't run a chat app.

Isn’t Teams a Microsoft app? It crashing on Mac OS then makes sense, and why wouldn’t that be seen as a Microsoft problem rather than an Apple one?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by ricardobayes »

vr46 wrote: post #202
ricardobayes wrote: post #183

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For all the hate MS gets, windows 11 is pretty much perfect. Never had any issues with it whatsoever. Even teams runs well on it, not so much on Mac from what I hear. "I can't share my screen" "Teams has crashed" I would be furious if my 2k EUR Mac couldn't run a chat app.

Teams is a poorly-built app, a terrible experience and hardly any kind of benchmark for the quality of a Mac.

Same could be said for Safari though.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by joshspankit »

account-5 wrote: post #167
derefr wrote: post #156

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> I attach a non Mac external monitor to a new MacBook Pro from work and the text is super blurry. Much googling later and I need to use something called Better Display to create a virtual display, and project that to my monitor That’s not the correct solution. The correct solution is for the monitor manufacturer to stop reporting an EDID that identifies their monitor as a TV (and thereby forces the OS to default to…

The OPs solution is the only valid solution they have open to them though.

Almost agreed. There are passthrough dongles that will report whatever EDID you want.

However, I think the original complaint is still valid. No highly-technical one-off solution solves the fundamental issue of general usability.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by lapcat »

1-6 wrote: post #61
runjake wrote: post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

I think Apple has already sailed the seas of no return. Another company that puts users first will eventually arise and take its place. Life is a cycle of highs and lows. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

Microsoft and Apple, the duopoly who control nearly 100% of the consumer desktop OS market, were both founded in the 1970s.

In comparison, Google was a relative "newcomer" in the late 1990s. Google and Apple control nearly 100% of the consumer mobile OS market.

There are no challengers. 3 companies own all of personal computing.

Oh yeah, these companies also collectively control the web browsers: Chrome, Safari, Edge. And they control the search engines: Google, Bing. (Google leveraged its search monopoly to achieve a mobile monopoly, which is how it crowded into Microsoft and Apple's world.)

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by account-5 »

joshspankit wrote: post #253
account-5 wrote: post #167

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The OPs solution is the only valid solution they have open to them though.

Almost agreed. There are passthrough dongles that will report whatever EDID you want. However, I think the original complaint is still valid. No highly-technical one-off solution solves the fundamental issue of general usability.

All usability comes down to what you're used to. I can't use Mac OS because I don't use Mac OS. Sit me down in front of a Mac and it is practically useless to me, nothing works right, same thing with iPhones. They don't "just work" for me.

This is not to say I couldn't learn, if forced to. That's what happened when I started using windows, Linux, and Android after all.

For general usability you need agreement on one way of doing something. Cars are this, you can drive pretty much any car because of the standard way the interface is put together.

My main issue with people responding to any criticism of Apple is that Apple fans (especially hardcore) can't accept that the Mac OS/iPhone interface isn't perfect and doesn't work for everyone.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by piva00 »

kramerger wrote: post #248
piva00 wrote: post #247

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I live in Europe and 95% of the engineers I've worked with here in major companies use a Mac. A few use Linux, absolutely no one I know (300+ developers I've interacted/paired with in the past 7 years) had a Windows machine. Not a single one.

Exactly where have you been working? I haven't seen that many macs outside design departments in any big European company I have visited. Some big companies such as Sony actually have Linux as their first choice, windows second.

Large-ish tech companies in Sweden.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by kyriakos »

derefr wrote: post #156
lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

> I attach a non Mac external monitor to a new MacBook Pro from work and the text is super blurry. Much googling later and I need to use something called Better Display to create a virtual display, and project that to my monitor That’s not the correct solution. The correct solution is for the monitor manufacturer to stop reporting an EDID that identifies their monitor as a TV (and thereby forces the OS to default to…

Wouldn't that mean windows is superior in handling those monitors by applying the solution so the user won't need to go looking?

I understand the monitor manufacturers are at fault but the OS tries to be as compatible as possible and handles the hardware.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by kcplate »

bsagdiyev wrote: post #223
white_dragon88 wrote: post #212

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I’m a Mac user and have 4 monitors plus my laptop’s screen. I use this https://rectangleapp.com/ to add snappiness to my windows. And it kicks ass

Which is not a stock macOS app. Which is what the point was. Stock macOS sucks with window and monitor management. I run three screens and it's aggravating sometimes.

> Which is not a stock macOS app. Which is what the point was.

This seems like a strange standard to me. I can’t think of an OS across any and all I have had to use over a multi-decade career that didn’t benefit from some third-party app to improve some “stock” feature of the OS.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by lapcat »

arvinsim wrote: post #97
drawingthesun wrote: post #91

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Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

Rumor has it that Mac will soon have ads on the AppStore

There's no such rumor.

I'm sure that Apple would put ads in the Mac App Store if it were profitable for Apple. But it's likely not a big enough market to be worth it.

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