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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by cassianoleal »

Macha wrote: post #217
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #206

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I think it’s mostly linked to what you are used to. I never Alt+Tab on macOS because I am used to using Exposé and the Windows equivalent frustrates me to no end with its extremely slow animation, same things with virtual desktops which feel very clunky on Windows but works fine on macOS.

Huh, Mac is the one platform I avoid virtual desktops because the experience is so clunky with no keyboard commands to move items between spaces or jump to spaces, and the weirdness with fullscreen windows being their own space but then returning to a previous space when fullscreen is exited.

> no keyboard commands to move items between spaces

Not natively but Rectangle.app is a FOSS app that has them.

> jump to spaces

Control+(left arrow|right arrow) does it for me. It doesn't hop across destops but it gets me where I want quickly without moving my hand off the keyboard.

> fullscreen windows being their own space but then returning to a previous space when fullscreen is exited

I'm not sure what you'd consider superior to this. If I have a window on Desktop 2 and make it fullscreen, I usually want it to go back to Desktop 2 when I exit it.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by cassianoleal »

lastangryman wrote: post #149
grapeskin wrote: post #143

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1 is preference. 2 is something I haven’t experienced. I guess maybe you’re using low resolution monitors? I find Windows to be incredibly blurry or text painfully sharp. 3 is something where I think the Mac mindset is to not really use full screen windows. I personally always have part of my desktop visible and most Mac users I’ve seen in the wild seem to do the same. Probably a consequence of the drag and drop mind…

Of course, it's all preference, I'm not making a case to say it's objectively bad, just I find it inferior. The monitor is a ultrawide LG that works perfectly on windows. A Google for "blurry text external monitor MacBook Pro" turns up many people with the same issue (edit: it's a 1440p monitor) Thanks for the finder tip, that will help.

I have an LG ultrawide with native res 3840x1600. Text is very blurry at that resolution though, so I use SwitchRes X to turn it down to the highest HiDPI resolution and it looks great.

I agree that it shouldn't be this way though, I'd have preferred to set the native res and be done with.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by rubslopes »

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

> Why does finder sometimes open in a sub folder as the "top level", then it's a total pain to move up to where you want.

OH God, I hate that so much. Can't understand the reason behind this behavior.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by sys_64738 »

Most Mac users are also iPhone users. Most iPhone users are not Mac users. To increase Mac users you need a consistent UI experience not alien concepts for iPhone only users. Unifying the interface is evolutionary towards iPhone equivalence is the outcome.

After all, the App Store makes money from iPhone and iPad apps not Mac so Mac needs to evolve in the slipstream of iOS investment.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by sys_64738 »

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

> Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application?

I guess I’m the opposite a single command+tab switches between apps then command+~ to cycle through the windows in the app is very intuitive to me. Cycling through dozens of windows on Microsoft is laborious a confusing in my experience.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by pjmlp »

wizofaus wrote: post #235
pjmlp wrote: post #227

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Yes, that is what cloud computing is all about, with the added benefit making UNIX irrelevant. Now it is all managed runtimes, on top of type 1 hypervisors, and containers, with browser based shells and IDEs. Unikernels have won even if it doesn't look like it from the surface.

I don't have an issue with unix but I still rely on being able to work in scenarios where I don't have a reliable/fast-enough internet connection to be able to run multiple hi-res GUI desktops remotely. If we get to the point super-low-latency network connectivity is as available as electricity, then sure, it's feasible. But even 30ms latency can make GUIs feel clunky to work with. I know some devs seem to tolerate i…

Modern times are wonderful fast versus using 1994 - 2000 network technology for X Windows / telnet based workflows.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by piva00 »

skneko wrote: post #161
lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

Don't worry I'm European and 90% of developers I know think exactly like you (and me). It's just that the HN crowd is typically North American, and people tend to like what they have grown with.

I live in Europe and 95% of the engineers I've worked with here in major companies use a Mac. A few use Linux, absolutely no one I know (300+ developers I've interacted/paired with in the past 7 years) had a Windows machine. Not a single one.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by kramerger »

piva00 wrote: post #247
skneko wrote: post #161

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Don't worry I'm European and 90% of developers I know think exactly like you (and me). It's just that the HN crowd is typically North American, and people tend to like what they have grown with.

I live in Europe and 95% of the engineers I've worked with here in major companies use a Mac. A few use Linux, absolutely no one I know (300+ developers I've interacted/paired with in the past 7 years) had a Windows machine. Not a single one.

Exactly where have you been working?

I haven't seen that many macs outside design departments in any big European company I have visited.

Some big companies such as Sony actually have Linux as their first choice, windows second.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

skneko wrote: post #161
lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

Don't worry I'm European and 90% of developers I know think exactly like you (and me). It's just that the HN crowd is typically North American, and people tend to like what they have grown with.

In my experience, macs are even more popular in Western European dev shops than in the USA. Not sure about Eastern Europe, however.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

GordonS wrote: post #221
white_dragon88 wrote: post #214

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If it’s randomly crashing that could be a hardware issue. I’ve owned numerous MacBooks and Mac minis over the years, nothing should ever be crashing randomly, especially not macOS.

It does it even when nothing else is plugged in, and I've had occasional crashes since I got it 5+ years ago (so, across multiple MacOS versions). TBH, the crashing when plugging/unplugging, HiDPI issues and general ugliness and clunkyness are far more annoying tho!

I’ve got an LG28” 4K on a 2019 MBP. I’ve never experienced a crash but the monitor will sometimes flick (lose video for a second, sometimes it will also auto lock). Just once or twice a day, so no biggie.

It took me awhile to configure my monitor correctly, and the color is still off. I got my wife the 24” 4K that Apple recommends and it has been much better for her (as a designer, she wouldn’t have put up with wrong colors).

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