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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by kelnos »

tempsy wrote: post #430
kelnos wrote: post #116

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I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. I'm not unsympathetic to Apple's difficulties and goals here (assuming this spam problem is actually the reason, though I'm skeptical that there aren't also self-serving reasons that…

SMS spam is real.

Please tell me where I claimed it wasn't.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by mr_toad »

sangnoir wrote: post #604
JoBrad wrote: post #374

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Isn’t that the safest fallback, if you know they aren’t using iMessage? The other phone could be a phone that can’t accept RCS or iMessage.

Fallbacks can be layered. For a company that claims go all-out for its consumers privacy, using SMS as the default fallback in the 21st century is pretty sus.

There’s over a dozen different versions of RCS, hand who knows which carrier supports which parts. It’d be more fall-through (the cracks) than fall back.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by worthless-trash »

xnx wrote: post #54

I'm all for standards, but this is mainly sour grapes by Google. If they hadn't shot themselves in the foot dozens of times with messaging they could've dominated using the head start they had with Google Talk. Google should put all messages from iPhone users in comic sans.

This is genius.

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Post by thomasahle »

kelnos wrote: post #612
thomasahle wrote: post #442

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> the current state of affairs is just a result of an anti-consumer corporate pissing match. This would be true if Google didn't want to implement the iMessage protocol as you predict; but in the current state of affairs it's just Apple being anticompetitive.

Has Google said that they'd implement iMessage if Apple were to open up the protocol/service? Given Google's history with messaging, I'd be surprised if they'd be so interested in doing this. More likely they'd prefer Apple just build a standalone iMessage app for Android. (And I feel like this option would be more palatable to Apple too, if the alternative is opening up the protocol to third parties.)

Even if Google didn't implement it, which I think they would, somebody else would do so and put it on the Play store. That's all it would take to make this issue go away for everyone.

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Post by thayne »

worthless-trash wrote: post #586
GekkePrutser wrote: post #544

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But group chats don't work over SMS. That's a big deal-breaker IMO.

I'm pretty sure ive had group chat work over SMS in australia, much to my dismay.

It was probably MMS, not SMS. SMS does not support group chat, but MMS does.

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Post by pabs3 »

dools wrote: post #607
eftychis wrote: post #602

RCS is dead. The Cross Carrier Messaging Initiative (CCMI) has given up. Google is the one still pushing for it. iMessage is simply a big Apple moat. Why would Apple give it up to enhance Google's business position? Google wants us to pick theirs over Apple's. Also note that to my knowledge, RCS is not available in all countries. The other funny thing is that Google complains about SMS being insecure -- all while RCS…

I run a phone business in Australia which is, as far as I'm aware, the only product that supports voice, txt and picture messaging on a virtual number outside of North America. Ever since I built the product, people have been telling me SMS is obsolete and RCS is coming (4 years now). Google bought Jibe Mobile in 2015, if you go to the Jibe website and try to submit their "Get Started" form there is an error. I have…

IIRC with RCS, carriers don't run the infrastructure, Google does.

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Post by kelnos »

shmoe wrote: post #585
_-david-_ wrote: post #525

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You could compile AOSP (and remove any blocks in it) yourself or get a ROM that doesn't block an app. You can't do that with iOS.

True, but we're talking single digits if not less than 1% of the Android population there, regardless of the ability. And if you add Google services you're right back where you started.

Sure, but I'm talking about simply having the capability. If Google started getting ridiculous, regularly censoring apps, deleting data off people's phones, stuff like that, I can easily believe that there'd be a push to make installing an alternative ROM or OS a simple thing to do. Regardless, the option is there. I think there's a ton of value in that, even if the vast majority of users don't avail themselves of it.

With iOS, you live with what Apple lets you do, and that's that.

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Post by worthless-trash »

kelnos wrote: post #351
danaris wrote: post #86

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> Google is ultimately at the mercy of the carriers I mean...are they? If Google were serious about pushing a new standard, and were willing to actually push it on the carriers , they have plenty of money, reach, and clout to make their point heard loud and clear. That would be triply true if it weren't a "new standard" that was yet another transparent attempt to gather more data from users.

They don't even need to push it on the carriers. They can just implement their own siloed iMessage clone in the stock Android Messages app. They don't need to integrate with any carrier services to do so. Hell, simply moving Google Chat into the stock Android Messages app, and seamlessly switching between SMS/MMS and GChat (like Apple does between SMS/MMS and iMessage) would do the trick. (To be clear, I don't want t…

I dont imagine implementing their own imessage clone would work as hardware vendors such as samsung will remove the stock app and ship their own.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by NotTameAntelope »

kelnos wrote: post #623
rootusrootus wrote: post #258

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> Sounds like other people in this thread already get a lot of iMessage spam Same folks who didn't realize that all messages show up in the same color, the blue bubbles only happen when you send . They're getting SMS spam. > I just don't want to be locked into a system where that's the only choice. Who's locked in? I can and have switched back and forth between iPhone and Android devices. My contacts are sync'd betwe…

> Same folks who didn't realize that all messages show up in the same color, the blue bubbles only happen when you send. Doesn't seem that's the case. Folks have followed up confirming that the messages are coming over iMessage, and not SMS.

Did you think”no spam ever” was the pitch? Then you misunderstood.
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