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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by kelnos »

Seanambers wrote: post #135
jacooper wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Apple is going to be forced anyway, the EU's Digital Markets Act will be enforced soon. And fines are up to 20% of global revenue .

As an iPhone user I do not like EU dictating how Apple software should work at all. The same with chargers as well. Sure we can all have a discussion about how it should work - but having bureaucrats decide is the worst idea ever.

> but having bureaucrats decide is the worst idea ever

I agree wholeheartedly, but what's the alternative? The so-called "free market" (not that such a thing actually exists) clearly has not solved this problem for us.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by Liquix »

Angostura wrote: post #160
blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

This is the most trivial complaint I've ever read. I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles - it just means that it hasn't been sent via iMessage - if I send to an iPhone and sending falls back to SMS it looks just the same. I can't believe people get that upset about green v blue.

Google conclusively found there was a statistically most pleasing shade of blue in their 41 Shades of Blue experiment. This type of testing can be and is being leveraged for profit. It's not too difficult to imagine Apple tuning iMessage vs. SMS colors to be perfectly calming/nauseating respectively.

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Post by r00fus »

wincy wrote: post #115
blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

What? I don't even notice the difference in color except that I know not to use the tapback stuff when I'm texting an Android user. Does the green on white actually bother anyone? This seems like grasping at straws to me.

Tapback works, too - it just appears to the non-iMessage receiver as an another SMS message with the text equivalent of the tapback emoticon.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by seydor »

drcongo wrote: post #42

This is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. The company that has had 47 different messaging apps and changes them weekly trying to lecture the company that nailed it first time. Grow up Google.

How did they nail it if it doesnt work well with 80% of phones?

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Post by simonjgreen »

rootusrootus wrote: post #194
radiojasper wrote: post #122

I still don't get why people use SMS/MMS anyway? I've been using WhatsApp for ages now and so does everybody else in my country - and every country I've been in, apart from China and Japan. My friend who's from the US once said "I've paid for those text messages, so I'm going to use them!" But if I send him a text from Europe to the US, I pay 1 damn euro per delivered text. WhatsApp is free! Is there any viable reaso…

Almost nobody I know uses WhatsApp. On the other hand, a significant number of people I meet do have iMessage. There's no incentive for me to install WhatsApp. Even my friends internationally all have iPhones. I don't install third-party apps unless there is a very good reason. SMS is an inferior but acceptable fallback for edge cases.

Your bubble is not representative of the whole world though. >80% of mobile devices are not iPhones. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/272307/market-share-fore...)

80% is not an edge case.

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Post by rootusrootus »

kelnos wrote: post #215
rootusrootus wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. Egads, no. The abuse heaped on me by Apple pales in comparison to the spam phone calls and emails I get. If I start getting spam via iMessage, I'll be an extremely unhappy camper.…

Sounds like other people in this thread already get a lot of iMessage spam, so I guess you've just been lucky? And it shows that this attestation junk doesn't actually curb the spam problem, so it's just an analogue of security theater. Anyhow, sure, if you want to give away your freedom to actually own your devices, just so you don't get spam... I guess that's your choice. I just don't want to be locked into a syste…

> Sounds like other people in this thread already get a lot of iMessage spam

Same folks who didn't realize that all messages show up in the same color, the blue bubbles only happen when you send. They're getting SMS spam.

> I just don't want to be locked into a system where that's the only choice.

Who's locked in? I can and have switched back and forth between iPhone and Android devices. My contacts are sync'd between them, calendar, mail, all of it just works either way. Only reason I'm back on iPhone right now is because the churn (and by extension, TCO) is significantly lower. If the calculus changes on that, I'll jump ship again, no big deal.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by LegitShady »

ivoras wrote: post #205

This is a US thing, right? Haven't received an SMS from a real person (in other words, all SMSes I get are 2FA etc) for, at least 5 years, maybe 10. Even people who use iPhones don't send SMSes, MMSes or anything as obsolete (including RCS). Everyone just seems to use WhatsApp and Telegram (or if they don't know any better, Viber). Locale: Central Europe. So, why would anyone stick to the obsolete stuff? Are there re…

It works for every phone and doesn’t require me to have an app installed. It doesn’t change on which contact I have (“oh she uses WhatsApp, he uses some other app, this group chat is on facebook messenger, etc”.

It’s just one tech that works on all phones. I don’t even mind if its missing five million emojis or things like that.

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