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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by Tagbert »

wilde wrote: post #106
altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

This doesn’t work though. I receive enough iMessage spam specifically through Apple ids that I wish I could disable the ability to message me unless you use a phone number.

I believe that is SMS spam originating from outside of iMessage

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by ElijahLynn »

ypeterholmes wrote: post #52
drcongo wrote: post #42

This is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. The company that has had 47 different messaging apps and changes them weekly trying to lecture the company that nailed it first time. Grow up Google.

But isn't the request for a cross platform standard? Sure Apple got their own internal standard right, but the experience across platforms still matters.

Yeah, so many in this thread are acting ignorant to what is actually going on. Which is surprising considering the audience.

RCS is a new standard, Google doesn't own it people.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by caseyohara »

trebbble wrote: post #46
s17n wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone in the US (if there is at least one android user in the chat)

US here. On the old end of "millennial", if that matters. More than 95% of my personal communication with other humans I know (remote communication, that is, not in-person, obviously) is in WhatsApp. The rest is phone and SMS and that's all older family. SMS, like email, is mainly for machines to talk to me.

> More than 95% of my personal communication ... is in WhatsApp

This is wild to me. I'm squarely in the middle of the millennial generation and I've never used WhatsApp and I've never known anyone that uses it. Nearly all of my personal communication is through Messages on my iPhone/iPad/Mac.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by wincy »

blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

What? I don't even notice the difference in color except that I know not to use the tapback stuff when I'm texting an Android user. Does the green on white actually bother anyone? This seems like grasping at straws to me.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by kelnos »

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own.

I'm not unsympathetic to Apple's difficulties and goals here (assuming this spam problem is actually the reason, though I'm skeptical that there aren't also self-serving reasons that would be sufficient for Apple), but I'm so tired of society's slide toward "security at any cost, and to hell with freedom" since the 9/11 attacks over 20 years ago.

(It's possible and likely that slide has been going on much longer, but I was a teenager in the 90s and not really aware of such things. But I think it's undeniable that the aftermath of 9/11 was a big turning point for the surveillance state and for average citizens being so scared of everything that they'd be willing to give up essential freedoms just to quell that fright.)

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Post by frumper »

Tagbert wrote: post #111
wilde wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn’t work though. I receive enough iMessage spam specifically through Apple ids that I wish I could disable the ability to message me unless you use a phone number.

I believe that is SMS spam originating from outside of iMessage

I definitely get iMessage spam

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by jkingsman »

equalsione wrote: post #20
obnauticus wrote: post #6

I would agree more if the RCS standard wasn’t also hot garbage… I would encourage anyone who is curious to read more about it. It’s taken so long to gain traction that it has also become somewhat legacy. Also, it still requires a carrier sponsored phone plan? How is this “modern” in comparison to say every other carrier agnostic messaging app in existence? Also this: https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/1480679515298…

It really is god-awful. RCS is a technology that benefits mobile operators, not users. Also, Google really aren't in a position to lecture anyone on this topic, given their N+1 approach to messaging services.

Speak for yourself; I LOVE texting my fellow-Android-owners with RCS. My photos don't get squashed a la MMS, sending multimedia Just Works, and typing/receipt indicators are lovely. Maybe the mobile operators are getting far bigger wins, but as an average person texting my friends, it's great.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by rdsnsca »

ghaff wrote: post #102
jacooper wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Apple is going to be forced anyway, the EU's Digital Markets Act will be enforced soon. And fines are up to 20% of global revenue .

Is iMessage a "Number-independent interpersonal communication services (e.g., messengers)"? It's a messenger but it's based on phone numbers AFAIK--unlike something like WhatsApp.

It is, I use it from my Mac Mini without owing an iPhone.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by Tagbert »

Daunk wrote: post #40

I haven't called a "normal" phone call or used SMS/MMS in many many years. Everyone I know (or care about rather) uses Telegram, and it's been great for us all.

Telegram? Never heard of it.

Messaging currently requires you and the people you are communicating with to agree on a platform. If all you use is Telegraph, then you are not communicating with those who don't.

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