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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

This doesn’t work though. I receive enough iMessage spam specifically through Apple ids that I wish I could disable the ability to message me unless you use a phone number.

That's weird -- my phone number is definitely in some spammer lists (I get so many calls) but I have never once received an SMS or iMessage spam. What kind of things do they send?

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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RCS rollout has been a mess with a poor UX , unclear consent etc. Apple definitely doesn't want to inconvenience users with that garbage.

There are tons of great cross-device messaging apps e.g. Whatsapp , Signal, Telegram. The market has provided solutions.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. I'm not unsympathetic to Apple's difficulties and goals here (assuming this spam problem is actually the reason, though I'm skeptical that there aren't also self-serving reasons that…

> I'd rather live in a world with spam […]

That is a personal choice, and I choose to not have spam on my phone. Several months ago I was subjected to a floodgate of good ol' fashioned SMS spam that lasted several weeks. There was no way to stop the spam because the phone was receiving it through the legacy SMS channel coming specifically from Android devices infected with Flubot; the bulk of spam now comes from unpatched Android devices because hardware vendors stop releasing security updates after a short cycle, or due to loose default app permissions set on the device. I ended up creating a support ticket with my mobile telco and soon I received the following reply from a human being:

  What you have encountered is, as you may have guessed, not a legitimate SMS notification.
  This particular message is designed to entice you to click on a link, and doing so would potentially expose your device to malicious software.
  This malicious software is trying to target Android devices, so, if you are an Android user, you should take particular care with such messages.
  Note that you may receive this message even if you do not use Android devices - the website link is simply being sent to a number of random telephone numbers in the hopes that an Android user will receive it, and manually bypass the built-in security protections and install the malicious software presented by the website.
  In other words, if you use an iPhone, you can still receive these SMS messages (often claiming to be relating to a voicemail or parcel delivery), but there is no direct risk to your iPhone by simply receiving the SMS.  Nor is there currently any risk to your iPhone if you happen to click on the link that is in these SMS messages.
  If you use Android, you should avoid permitting your device to install any software that did not come from the official Google Play store.
> … where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices …

Corporations, such as Google, make decisions for users without getting their consent nor without informing the users. If you sign into a Google account in a web browser on your phone, for instance, the sign-in will also silently and non-consentually sign you into your Google account across all Google apps installed on the device without informing you.

The corporations, good or bad or anything in between, must be bound by the code of conduct they ought not to be allowed to get out from: must request the explicit user consent first.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Remember, the color of the bubbles only changes for messages YOU send, not messages you receive. Received messages are always black on grey.

> Received messages are always black on grey. What on Earth are you talking about?

Messages you receive are always black text on a grey bubble. What part of this was confusing?

As other have mentioned, you can tell if it's iMessage or not in a few different ways, the send button color, the "Text Message" or "iMessage" label interspersed in the conversation, etc, but if you want to talk about the color of the bubbles, that only applies to outgoing messages.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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SMS spam is real.

I've not had a single SMS/messaging spam message in the last decade. In the UK if that makes a difference, maybe we have effective laws around it? Not looked into it.

In the last 6 months SMS spam has increased a lot for me. A lot of it are random messages like "I'm sorry but please don't message me again!" or "Hey, I really had a great time last night, let's make plans for next weekend!" that basically is reply-bait.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Defaults matter. I too have WhatsApp, Signal, Google Chat and a few others on my phone, but the fragmentation is annoying to deal with, and getting social groups (or even individuals) to move to a single consolidating messaging platform turns out to be much more difficult than I expected. If the default chat app is featureful and universally supported, people tend not to stray toward non-default alternatives unless t…

Matrix solved federated messaging already

Not fully encrypted yet though, not even if everyone opts into encryption.

And if we want to be technical XMPP was before that and it was federated by some large networks, however briefly.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Just wondering, why "Unfortunately"?

I’m not the person you replied to, but personally I really hate Google‘s tendency to create their own “standard” and then just shove it down everyone’s throat because they’re so ridiculously big and important. Speedy and WebP were two examples. RCS already existed (I believe) but basically every single carrier has dragged their feet on it to the point of doing almost nothing (at least in the US) so now Google is basi…

Android and Chrome too. They are products, not open source. Google uses its lawyers to jump through loopholes and lie about being open

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, but with better PR

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> I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. It’s really oppressive that Apple doesn’t let you install WhatsApp, Secret, Telegram, FB Messenger or any other communications app beyond their own. While it’s all sweetness and li…

Defaults matter. I too have WhatsApp, Signal, Google Chat and a few others on my phone, but the fragmentation is annoying to deal with, and getting social groups (or even individuals) to move to a single consolidating messaging platform turns out to be much more difficult than I expected. If the default chat app is featureful and universally supported, people tend not to stray toward non-default alternatives unless t…

Perhaps you're missing the point though? Maybe your friends simply don't care enough to switch.

Bottom line is iMessage works really well and people like it. Same with FB messenger and Whatsapp. You want to move friends to something else? There needs to be a selling point much larger than just security.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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I setup a BlueBubbles server on a spare Mac and I installed the BlueBubbles App. Boom. iMessages on Android. Done.

Messaging is already extremely fragmented. BB is only the eighth messaging app on my phone. Considering getting on Beeper to consolodate this madness. Matrix/Element was too rough to utilize as is.

Almost everyone I text with is on iMessage in the US. 95% or more of my regular contacts. Many are often outspoken about their cult like allegiance to iMessage. Finally some respect.

The look on their face when I send them an iMessage from my Galaxy is priceless.

Now, nearly all of the SMS messages I get are spam. Google Messages and the phone companies are pathetic at stopping them.

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